grizzly@hobbes.ncsu.edu (John Safrit) (11/01/90)
Can anyone help me with a failing 8513 monitor? The redgun overheats and all the red on my screen is gone. I've tried to find someone to fix it, but they say noone works on them and I need to replace it. It has tamper proof case and I can't get in without the special tool. Can anyone tell me where to get it worked on or how to open the case? Does anyone else have problems like this? If I crack the case to get in, any ideas on how to fix it? ThanX! -- ********************************************jlsafrit@eos.ncsu.edu************* * Some say the worlds a stage, where we play our foolish parts, but it seems * * more like a cage, holding back our hungry hearts. ---me * ********************************************grizzly@catt.ncsu.edu*************
bank@lea.ncsu.edu (Dave The DM) (11/04/90)
If you want some frank advice, sell the monitor to someone who likes to buy dead computer equipment, take the $ you get, and buy a new one. What you are contemplating ain't worth the trouble without a full bench of electronic repair equipment. Dave the DM bank@lea.csc.ncsu.edu
teexmmo@ioe.lon.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) (11/05/90)
In article <1990Nov3.162414.1577@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> bank@lea.ncsu.edu (Dave The DM) writes: > > If you want some frank advice, sell the monitor to someone who >likes to buy dead computer equipment, take the $ you get, and buy >a new one. > > > What you are contemplating ain't worth the trouble without a full >bench of electronic repair equipment. > > Dave the DM > bank@lea.csc.ncsu.edu With respect, it is usually worth opening the lid and looking for obvious things like loose connectors, abnormal colouring on circuit boards (like a brown or balck patch on a green IC). CAUTION : work with power off. The high tension circuitry can kill. (and the chassis is prbably live).
rjbolger@vax1.tcd.ie (11/08/90)
A few months ago Frank Reid posted a few tips on the repair of IBM screens including the 8512 and 8513 models from the PS2 range. They appeared in Sci.electronics and I for one found them very useful (especially since I.B.M. don't repair PS2 hardware out of warranty (in Europe anyway)). So without Frank's permission I'll re-post them here in the hope that they may be of use to someone. ________________________________________________________________________ IBM MONITOR REPAIR NOTES: MODELS 8512, 8513, 3192 ------------------------------------------------- 14 August 1990. rev: 22 Aug. 90 8512, 8513 ---------- IBM's "PS/2" VGA color monitors, model 8512 and 8513, have been major maintenance nightmares here and reportedly elsewhere. There are at least two different models of each monitor, manufactured by Tatung of Korea. Schematic diagrams are apparently unavailable. The following is a summary of many frustrating hours at the repair bench: Opening the cases: The top of the 8512 or 8513 case is fastened either by two internal plastic clips (see below), or "tamperproof" Torx T-20 screws with center pins. The Torx driver must have a long, slender shaft (preferably magnetic) to reach the screw heads. S/N 23-xxxxx: Plastic clips hold top front of case: Insert long, thin screwdriver into rectangular holes and push clips downward. Use Apple Macintosh case-separation tool to help remove back cover. This model has the AC power connector soldered to the board: Look for cracked solder joints first (see below). NOTE: Cut the silicone glue at the CRT base and unplug the tube before working on the main board! The glass neck is easily broken. A monitor with broken CRT is not economically repairable. The voice of experience speaks. :-) Symptom: No power or intermittent power. Some models have the AC power connector soldered directly to the main circuit board. The wave-soldered connections are too thin for heavy components or those subject to flexure: They crack, opening the circuit. Resolder them, using lots of solder. Also use a magnifying lens to inspect the solder joints of the flyback transformer and the deflection-yoke connector. These often fail in the same manner as the power connector. I always resolder all the abovementioned connections on general principle. Symptom: Horizontal line across screen, remainder black. Failed component: Vertical amplifier (large IC attached to heat sink; TDA-1670A manufactured by SGS, whose quality control is infamous). People at IBM have told us that this chip is a weak point. Use heat- sink compound when installing new IC. The replacement IC may last indefinitely, or may fail in a few days. We have not tried Sylvania's replacement, ECG 1862. When the IC fails, a 2.2 ohm 1/4-watt resistor in series with the power supply lead (diode and capacitor leading to a flyback pin) burns beyond recognition. This resistor is used as a fuse. The value is not critical (may be up to 20 ohms) but be sure the replacement is a metal-film type resistor which burns quiescently, instead of a carbon resistor which will start a fire. Leave the resistor leads long, mounting the resistor one inch above the circuit board. Before replacing IC, inspect for cracked solder connections on the male deflection-yoke connector (mounted on the main circuit board). Symptoms: 1) Immediate power supply shutdown. 2) Power supply shutdown/restart about once per second. 3) Squeal from power supply, wavy left and right edges of picture; may become normal after warmup. Bad component: C120 (10 uf 35v). This capacitor is common to all four models of 8512/8513, and has the same identifying number on the circuit board. It is located near front of the power supply area, in the corner with the green LED pilot light, sometimes near a large green resistor. Replace this capacitor on general principle anytime you open an 8512 or 8513. This capacitor fails from heat; dissection of bad capacitors reveals no moisture within. The replacement should have a temperature rating of 105 deg. C. (typified by end plug made of epoxy instead of rubber). Symptom: Blown fuse Bad component: De-gaussing thermistor (rectangular black box with 3 leads, near de-gauss coil connector). We are thusfar unable to find replacements. Remove the shorted device, use a hand-held de-gaussing coil after the monitor has been returned to its operating position. (Rare): Blown fuse may result from shorted diodes which rectify 115 VAC power, or from shorted power-supply switching transistor. The transistor base is transformer-coupled, so normally looks like a DC short when you attempt to test the base-emitter junction in-circuit with an ohmmeter. Symptom: Bad power supply (in model whose power supply is a separate unit in gold-colored metal cage), verifiable by swapping for known- good power supply: Replace two small electrolytic capacitors located under a rectangular ceramic power resistor which stands about 1" above the circuit board. 8512 s/n 72-xxxxxxx (7 digits after 72-) This model has extensive metal shielding inside. The power supply is a separate unit in gray metal housing. Power cord permanently attached, cover has Torx screws: Symptom: Squealing sound from power supply; supply operates normally when 2-wire (red/white) power connector is removed from CRT board: Failure: One or more shorted video driver transistors: 2SC3502, 2SA1370. (No ECG equivalents are listed.) IBM agreed (offer now expired) to replace failed 8513 monitors having serial numbers with prefix 72 and less than 064 (s/n 72-0640000 or less). That series appears no less reliable than others. Replacements have thusfar been trouble free. Many of our 8512 and 8513 monitors (including picture tubes) have failed from long service-- Since they have independent power switches, and the screens are black when the computer is turned off, users tend to leave them on forever. Symptom: No picture, no high voltage; pilot lamp on or blinking: Replace flyback transformer. We have had many flyback failures, and have located a good source of replacements: Component Resource Corp. 15316 East Valley Blvd. City of Industry, Ca. 91746 1-800-366-1272 This company also has replacement flybacks for DEC VT-240 color monitors (actually manufactured by Amdek). Before replacing flyback: Look for broken solder connection at flyback pins and deflection yoke connector. The horizontal-output transistor appears robust; we have never replaced one, even after flyback transformer failure. Symptom: One color absent or displayed improperly. The large circuit board attached to the CRT socket contains the cathode drivers for each color. The large output transistors and their driver transistors often fail. Apply a test pattern (e.g., white-on-black text) and use an oscilloscope to compare the three color channels, to locate the failed component(s). Before we discovered the most common problems of 8512 and 8513 and located a source of replacement flybacks, we had several repaired (with good results) by: Circuit Test, Inc. 12479 W. Hillsborough Ave. Tampa, Florida 33635 IBM 3192 CRT Terminal --------------------- The IBM 3192 "administrative" terminal's monitor has insides reminiscent of the 8512 and 8513 PS/2 VGA monitors (see above). Case Removal: The back cover of the monitor is held by two screws on the bottom and two plastic spring-clips on the upper left and right sides (visible with flashlight through rear ventilation slots). Use two L-shaped tools (e.g., back-plates from IBM PC), inserted through upper side ventilation-slots, to depress both clips simultaneously. Then lift the cover off. Symptom: No picture; repetitive clicking or beeping sound. Bad part: High-voltage divider (the assembly between the flyback transformer and the CRT anode), IBM part number 6405282 (about $20). Replacement is easy: Unclip and unplug the tube and circuit-board ends; pry the red plastic retaining ring out of the flyback, save it for the new divider assembly. Voltage-divider failure causes other damage in about 50% of 3192's: The picture rolls vertically after the HV divider is replaced. The bad component is IC303, which is a 7406 (TTL open-collector hex inverter). Installing a 14-pin socket at IC303 may be advisable. Most 3192's have integrated circuits with proprietary numbers. We were fortunate to find a unit with mostly industry-standard numbers: IC301 TDA2582 IC302 74LS221 IC303 7406 IC800 LM320T-12 (voltage regulator) IC801 ? Vertical amplifier: TDA2653A Connect terminal to the appropriate communications system and adjust the picture as needed, before replacing the back cover. The upper knob on the flyback transformer is CRT focus, the lower knob is screen voltage (a.k.a. "sub-brightness"). Symptom: No power, blown fuse. The de-gaussing thermistor has probably failed (see 8512/8513 notes). Before replacing fuse, use analog ohmmeter, or diode-test function on DVM, to check the junctions of the two large power transistors in the power supply section. -- Frank Reid reid@ucs.indiana.edu _____________________________________________________________________ And remember, no-one ever got sacked for buying I.B.M. - just frustrated. Richard Bolger // Trinity College Dublin // rbolger@vax1.tcd.ie Republic of Ireland //