HARPER@CSC.FI ("Robert Harper Finland", CSC) (12/20/90)
So basically you want me to reinvent the wheel:-) OK some background information for novices: This is going to be REAL SIMPLE. If you are studying at a University your mainframe computer might either be on BITNET, INTERNET or both. Generally E-mail addresses for BITNET take the form USER@NODE and in most cases the USER and the @NODE are limited to EIGHT characters. (See BioBit9 for naming conventions). For example my BITNET address is HARPER@FINFUN. For INTERNET the E-mail addresses take the form USER@DOMAIN.SUBDOMAIN.COUNTRY and my INTERNET address is HARPER@CSC.FI. Both addresses are equivilent and point to the same machine. So look at you OWN address and determine if you are on BITNET or INTERNET. If you are on BITNET forget about TELNET and FTP you just can't utilize those utilities. However if you are on INTERNET then it means that you should have access to TCP/IP protocols... namely TELNET and FTP. You use TELNET to establish a REMOTE session with a foreign computer. Usually you would need a USERID or a PASSWORD to get into the foreign machine but some folks set things up so you can log in with the USERNAME ANONYMOUS and the PASSWORD GUEST. This is the case with the free library service. I have already given a TELNET example a few weeks back so I will deal with an FTP session now. You use FTP (File Trnasfer Protocol) to upload or download files from a remote host. In BIONEWS there was a recent posting regarding anonymous FTP sites for Molecular biology by Mike Gribskov. In it he mentions @NIC.FUNET.FI (What do you know an INTERNET ADDRESS) @NIC National Information Centre .FUNET Finnish Universities Network .FI Finland Since you want an example of a FTP session here is one to NIC.FUNET.FI I know something about this one since I set up the molbio areas. I put !comments after the commands $ ftp nic.funet.fi ! command to call the remote host 220 nic.funet.fi FTP server (Version 4.461 +mea@nic.funet.fi Tue Dec 11 12:24:0. Remote User Name:anonymous !Anonymous is the userid Remote Password: !give your USER@NODE... it is polite ftp> dir !command to see what is available -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 7072 Nov 27 13:10 README -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1965 Nov 27 13:05 README.UPLOADER drwxr-sr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 13 00:55 bin drwxr-sr-x 2 root wheel 512 Dec 9 17:18 etc drwxrwxr-x 2 root ftp 1024 Dec 15 21:32 files -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1080 Apr 12 1990 ls-FORMATS -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 963921 Dec 18 22:17 ls-ZGR.Z -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 686711 Dec 18 22:14 ls-ZRlag.Z drwxr-xr-x 9 root funstaff 512 Dec 12 11:10 pub drwxr-sr-x 2 mea wheel 512 Sep 26 06:30 staff-docs ftp> cd \pub\misc\molbio ! change directory to the molbio stuff. ftp> dir !look at the directories drwxr-xr-x 2 harper guests 512 Sep 27 06:38 biobit drwxr-xr-x 2 harper guests 1536 Oct 26 13:31 mac drwxr-xr-x 2 harper guests 1024 Sep 19 13:51 msdos drwxr-xr-x 2 harper guests 512 Sep 17 08:58 unix drwxr-xr-x 2 harper guests 512 Sep 13 09:11 vax ftp> cd biobit ! change directory to biobit ftp> dir -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 47212 Sep 21 11:39 biobit1.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 9655 Sep 21 11:39 biobit10.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 13289 Sep 21 11:39 biobit11.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 12166 Sep 21 11:39 biobit12.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 14155 Sep 21 11:39 biobit13.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 15947 Sep 21 11:39 biobit14.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 11737 Sep 21 11:39 biobit15.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 12350 Sep 21 11:39 biobit16.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 24777 Sep 21 11:39 biobit2.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 22138 Sep 21 11:39 biobit3.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 19191 Sep 21 11:39 biobit4.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 10831 Sep 21 11:39 biobit5.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 9331 Sep 21 11:39 biobit6.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 11977 Sep 21 11:39 biobit7.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 11671 Sep 21 11:39 biobit8.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 8435 Sep 21 11:39 biobit9.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 951 Sep 21 11:39 index -rw-r--r-- 1 harper guests 232 Sep 21 11:40 read.me ftp> get index - ! read the index file online BIOBIT1.TXT Computer Viruses BIOBIT2.TXT BIONET (What is it?) BIOBIT3.TXT RED TRICKLE SERVER (How does it work?) BIOBIT4.TXT Using Relay from LifeSci BIOBIT5.TXT Using FTP BIOBIT6.TXT ARCHIVING and ENCODING BIOBIT7.TXT Comparison of archiving programmes BIOBIT8.TXT Review of Current Contents on Disk BIOBIT9.TXT Naming conventions on EARN BIOBIT10.TXT Guide to mail gateways BIOBIT11.TXT Using the EMBL netserver BIOBIT12.TXT LDBASE and its use with LISTSERV BIOBIT13.TXT Mistakes you can make on the network :-) BIOBIT14.TXT International Center for Genetic engineering and Biotech. BIOBIT15.TXT Introduction to GOS (Genbank On-line Service) BIOBIT16.TXT Newsreader software ANU NEWS ************************************************************** And we find that we have indeed reinvented the wheel cos BioBit5 deals with using FTP:-) ftp> bye ! finnish the remote session I have only touched some of the things you can do with FTP... guess you will have to FTP BioBit5.txt to find out how to do the rest. Rob "the righteous man prefers honour over wealth" Harper Socrates said that and he died on a point of honour and broke:-)