[comp.arch] Sun 4/60?

dzzr@beta.UUCP (Douglas J Roberts) (02/07/88)

A previous article in this group inferred that a Sun 4/60 (diskless,
one-board SPARC workstation) may be in the pipe. Anybody else heard
rumors?

guy@gorodish.Sun.COM (Guy Harris) (02/07/88)

> A previous article in this group inferred that a Sun 4/60 (diskless,
> one-board SPARC workstation) may be in the pipe. Anybody else heard
> rumors?

1) @Begin(Pedantry) The article would have *implied*, not *inferred*, that such
a machine was in the pipeline.  @End(Pedantry) In fact, it didn't necessarily
imply that; all it said was that the author was "waiting for the cut-price
4/60".  This could have meant that he was waiting for such a beast to come
along, under the assumption that it would, someday, not that he knew such a
beast was in the pipe and that he was waiting for that particular machine.

2) *I've* not heard any rumors about a cheaper "4/60".  This doesn't mean there
isn't such a machine in the pipeline, although I'd say it means it's less
likely to be in the pipeline.  This also doesn't mean there is no intention of
ever coming out with such a machine, of course; unless we go out of business,
there will presumably be smallerfastercheapercuter Sun-4s at some point in the
future, as there will presumably be smallerfastercheapercuter VAXstations,
DNxxxx'es, Mac IIs, etc., etc., etc..
	Guy Harris
	{ihnp4, decvax, seismo, decwrl, ...}!sun!guy
	guy@sun.com

jaw@aurora.UUCP (James A. Woods) (02/08/88)

# "anything too stupid to be said is sung." -- voltaire

of course it was just a model number inference,
ala the
 "complete this series" "intelligence" tests.
but you'll never get any advance product plan
information from sun micro technical types.
that is, they only get told codenames, like every other
computer business.  e.g. the internal codename
for the 4/110 was "cobra".  like automobile
animals, you might guess the
next one will be "python", or "anaconda" or whatever.
codenames themselves serve the additional purpose
of helping pinpoint project leaks
in a parallel development process.
the model number,
as well as the "marketing mips" gets stamped on
only at the end.

hwe@beta.UUCP (Skip Egdorf) (02/08/88)

In article <1685@aurora.UUCP>, jaw@aurora.UUCP (James A. Woods) writes:
> 
> ...  e.g. the internal codename
> for the 4/110 was "cobra"...
> ...
> the model number,
> as well as the "marketing mips" gets stamped on
> only at the end.

How many remember when the new smaller VAX was about to be announced.
It was well known to the trade that the code name was the "comet",
however the press (You know, Computermation and Dataworld) assured
us that the machine would be known as the VAX-680, with the follow-on
super ECL VAX (The "Venus", just being designed) being the VAX-980.
It was rumored that the name VAX-11/750 was chosen a) at the very last
minute, and  b) because it was the name/number LEAST chosen by the
rumor mills.

How much of the sales generated by a new machine are due to its
architecture, and how much are due to choosing the proper name :-)

					Skip Egdorf
					hwe@lanl.gov

guy@gorodish.Sun.COM (Guy Harris) (02/08/88)

> that is, they only get told codenames, like every other
> computer business.

Well, actually, no, we *do* find out the real model numbers before it's
announced; the only delay in finding out the model number is that involved in
*deciding on* a model number, and believe me, around here the model number
doesn't just get stamped on at the end, it gets *chosen* at the end.  Then
again, I haven't heard rumors about a "4/60"-flavored machine under any
particular code name, either.
	Guy Harris
	{ihnp4, decvax, seismo, decwrl, ...}!sun!guy
	guy@sun.com

roy@phri.UUCP (Roy Smith) (02/09/88)

In article <41239@sun.uucp> guy@gorodish.Sun.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
> there will presumably be smallerfastercheapercuter Sun-4s at some point
> in the future, as there will presumably be smallerfastercheapercuter
> VAXstations, DNxxxx'es, Mac IIs, etc., etc., etc..

	Reading this, it occurs to me that in the entire progression from
the original 128K Mac to the Mac-II, the new introduced models have been
monotonicly increasing in just about any parameter you care to look at
(memory capacity, speed, price, etc).  Should be expect a change in the
future?  Of course, there has been a slow but steady decrease in list
prices of existing models, but that's not what I'm talking about.

	Sun seems to take the opposite approach; start with top-of-the-line
machines first and then undercut themselves with newer versions (like the
3/50 did to the 3/75).
-- 
Roy Smith, {allegra,cmcl2,philabs}!phri!roy
System Administrator, Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016

torben@dorsai.ics.hawaii.edu (Prof. Torben N. Nielsen) (02/11/88)

In article <15349@beta.UUCP> dzzr@beta.UUCP (Douglas J Roberts) writes:
>A previous article in this group inferred that a Sun 4/60 (diskless,
>one-board SPARC workstation) may be in the pipe. Anybody else heard
>rumors?

Isn't that the Sun-4/110? I thought that was already announced. And 
at a price of around $19K. I've seen the model number in newer software
distributions for the Sun-4. It appears that there are really two models
of the Sun-4 right now. The 260 and the 110.... This probably means that
there's room for a couple of add-on boards in the base; just like the
Sun-3/110. The configurations stuff seems to indicate that too.

					---Torben