[comp.arch] Changing times

andy@carcoar.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) (06/11/88)

In article <20128@beta.UUCP> jlg@beta.UUCP (Jim Giles) writes:
>And (in spite of suggestions) there is NO commercial machine presently
>available which even takes 'hints' about the data usage patterns.

Not long ago, the Los Alamos and Livermore people would write
operating systems; now they won't even modify them.

>								Even
>if such a machine DID exist, the best it could do is tie the speed of
>the non-VM code which does it's own asynchronous paging.

In the best of all possible worlds, this is true.  The typical Los
Alamos/Livermore programmer is not as good as their stars, so I'd bet
that the typical programmer could write more efficient programs on a
hint-using VM system than they currently write using program-specific
I/O.  In the former case, the typical program gets more benefit from
the star's programming talents.

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eugene@pioneer.arpa (Eugene N. Miya) (06/11/88)

In article <22467@labrea.Stanford.EDU> andy@carcoar.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>In article <20128@beta.UUCP> jlg@beta.UUCP (Jim Giles) writes:
>>And (in spite of suggestions) there is NO commercial machine presently
>>available which even takes 'hints' about the data usage patterns.
>
>Not long ago, the Los Alamos and Livermore people would write
>operating systems; now they won't even modify them.

Today, we had a small argument on this (Marty Fouts noblely defending
U*x), (I'm getting too old for OS arguments) because of an article
in the Livermore Valley paper on D.F.'s comments about their new
operating system NLTSS (cost $5-10 M). So they do write them.

Now I know that Marty reads this group and I know Dick Watson also
reads this group.  I wish that the discussion had not been so lop sided
(6.5 : 1 defending non-Unix OSes on supers).  I think this type of
OS work needs to be done [Greg Chesson has defended the LINCS protocol
in public as experimental work needing support].

This is diverging from architectures so we should migrate this process
to the appropriate news group....  Or maybe this is the reason
why process migration is soo hard ;-).

Another gross generalization from

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