[comp.arch] Crashing machines with and without microstore, and the IBM AS-400

gjc@buitc.bu.edu (George J. Carrette) (01/08/91)

In article <1763@cluster.cs.su.oz.au> andrewt@cluster.cs.su.oz (Andrew Taylor) writes:
>
>On our Sun 3/50s running SunOS 4.1 crashme can result (try crashme 32 1 4)
>in a cpu-bound process which can't be killed. Rebooting seems the only way
>to remove it. Seems like an OS bug to me.

Thanks for the info. The replies were not always that specific.
[BTW. One group interested in this sort of thing is the CERT security
 advisory people at CMU].

I want to apologize for the tone of my last message. It was
too harsh. Not at all the kind of fun-loving point I wanted to
get across.

[In some previous article it was mentioned that instruction sets
designed after 1985 were made so that microcode would not be required]

Q: How do we date the AS-400 from IBM? It is a tagged architecture
   with a PAGEABLE MICROSTORE! It was introduced around 1985 anyway.

-gjc

esmith@goofy.apple.com (Eric Smith) (01/08/91)

In article <71756@bu.edu.bu.edu> gjc@buitc.bu.edu (George J. Carrette) writes:

>   [In some previous article it was mentioned that instruction sets
>   designed after 1985 were made so that microcode would not be required]
>
>   Q: How do we date the AS-400 from IBM? It is a tagged architecture
>      with a PAGEABLE MICROSTORE! It was introduced around 1985 anyway.

Actually, the first AS-400 machines are more recent than that.  I think
they were introduced in '88 or '89.  Anyone know for sure?

Does the AS-400 have any neat architectural innovations other than those
needed to merge the System 36 and 38?  Are there any good papers on the
AS-400?

Eric

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moliver@shadow (Mike Oliver) (01/09/91)

In article <ESMITH.91Jan7184655@goofy.apple.com> esmith@goofy.apple.com (Eric Smith) writes:
>In article <71756@bu.edu.bu.edu> gjc@buitc.bu.edu (George J. Carrette) writes:
>>
>>   Q: How do we date the AS-400 from IBM? It is a tagged architecture
>>      with a PAGEABLE MICROSTORE! It was introduced around 1985 anyway.
>
>Actually, the first AS-400 machines are more recent than that.  I think
>they were introduced in '88 or '89.  Anyone know for sure?

"The Application System/400 [tm] (AS/400 [tm]) was announced in June
1988 and was the product of a development effort centered in the IBM
Rochester, Minnesota, Development Laboratory".

>Does the AS-400 have any neat architectural innovations other than those
>needed to merge the System 36 and 38?

What's the difference between "neat" and "off the wall" ?  :)

>                                       Are there any good papers on the
>AS-400?

The above quote concerning the announcement date is excerpted from the
"IBM Systems Journal Vol 26 No 3, 1989", an issue of the SJ dedicated
to the AS/400.  It doesn't go into enormous detail on the machine
architecture, but it does give a decent overview of the system
composition and the rationale behind it.

If you want to get hold of a copy (cost is $6 for a single issue), ask
your local IBM office.  The order number for this particular issue is
G321-0095-00.

Cheers, Mike.

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