[sci.bio] Virgin births

MIQ@PSUVMA.BITNET (12/16/86)

In article <889@husc6.UUCP>, gallagher@husc4.harvard.edu (paul gallagher)
 says:

>However, although males need females, females don't neccessarily need
>males.  Under laboratory conditions, the ovum of the female of some species
>can be artificially induced to begin development, without need of sperm.
>I read one author who, noting that many women have given birth without
>ever apparently having had sex, thinks that virgin birth is possible in
>humans.

     I've heard about these experiments too.  The most advanced animal
its worked with so far (as far as I know) is rabbits.  The stimulation
took the form of placing the female in water & applying a small electric
current.

     I don't think it would explain "virgin births" in humans, though.
I agree with the poster who suggested that the "apparently" virgin women
probably weren't so.

     One way to test this would be via the sex of the baby.  If the baby
were male (thus having a Y-chromosome), then it's pretty certain that the
mother was impregnated in the standard manner.  A female baby would leave
the question open.

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chiaraviglio@husc2.UUCP (lucius) (12/18/86)

In article <9088MIQ@PSUVMA>, MIQ@PSUVMA.BITNET writes:
[First, quotes stuff about artificially-induced parthogenesis by stimulating
unfertilized eggs to divide]
>      I've heard about these experiments too.  The most advanced animal
> its worked with so far (as far as I know) is rabbits.  The stimulation
> took the form of placing the female in water & applying a small electric
> current.

	Did it actually produce live newborns, or did the stimulated eggs
degenerate into teratocarcinomas as they have in all the experiments with
mammalian eggs that I have read about?  Do you have any more details?  When
was this done (Molecular Biology of the Cell (1983) says that while such
procedures work on many things up to and including reptiles, mammalian eggs
stimulated to divide without fertilization only form teratocarcinomas).

	By the way, even in non-parthogenetic species, germ cells (including
but not limited to eggs -- this can happen in males also) will attempt to
develop an embryo without first being fertilized and without any artificial
stimulation.  That is why mammals, including humans, occasionally get
teratocarcinomas.

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bl@hplabsb.UUCP (Bruce T. Lowerre) (12/18/86)

In article <9088MIQ@PSUVMA>, MIQ@PSUVMA.BITNET writes:
> 
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> 
>      I don't think it would explain "virgin births" in humans, though.
> I agree with the poster who suggested that the "apparently" virgin women
> probably weren't so.

I did read about one woman who was a virgin and got pregnant (and I don't
mean Mary).  She was gay and had sex with her bi-sexual lover who had just
had intercourse with a male.  Boy was she surprised!