[sci.bio] HEAD JERKING OF WALKING BIRD

arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) (07/28/90)

 
 Subject: Re: HEAD JERKING OF WALKING BIRDS
 
 
 I have a problem with Pnews here in that it makes it look 
 like I want responses in email when I really want to discuss 
 things on the net.
 
 The following is typical of the responses I got to the 
 question I posed....
 
 >You realize, of course, that this is a violation of Federal 
 law.
  .............
 
 >If it is one of the species you can legally possess, let
 me know, and I will comment on your behavioral questions.
 ............
 
 I fully accept the criminal nature of the act which I 
 implicated myself in, but having watched a kestral snatch 
 the first two fledglings off the nest in my bathoom window,  
 I was in no mood to concern myself with the letter of the 
 law.
 
 The most amusing response (excerpt above) was from someone 
 who refused to even discuss the issue if the bird in 
 question was a mourning dove.
 
 ............
 
 One responder suggested that the behavior was an adjustment 
 for continually changing focal distance.  This seems like a 
 reasonable answer but I can't help but wonder why these 
 birds have such a limited depth of field.  One assumes that 
 it must be on the order of 1/2 inch because that amount of 
 head movement seems to put things right again.
 
 I suppose the answer lies in what fantastic things they must 
 be able to see in that very restricted range.
 
 A few more experiments with the bird at arms length, seem to 
 support the focus theory.  If I was very careful to make 
 sure he could not see me, he did seem to jerk his head no 
 matter which way he was facing.
 .................
 
 On a slightly different point,  is there really any way of 
 knowing what a bird is looking at?   For example.....
 
 He will suddenly cock his head and look straight down at the 
 floor and...........
 
 However, someone on the opposite side of the bird would 
 swear that he was looking straight up in the air.
 
 ...... just heard the familiar wing beat and find Charlie in 
 the bucket of sunflower hearts on the back porch.  For the 
 past five days, he has left around dark and returns late in 
 the morning to "visit".  Oh!  Oh! the doorbell....  must be 
 the bird police.  Run Charlie!
 
 ...............
 
 If you insist on sending email, please send to arf@gagme NOT 
 to the address in this header.  

john@nmt.edu (John Shipman) (07/29/90)

Jack Schmidling (arf@gagme) writes:
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| The following is typical of the responses I got to the 
| question I posed....
| 
| >You realize, of course, that this is a violation of Federal law.
+--

The federal Migratory Bird Treaty prohibits any individuals
from possessing wild native birds without a permit.
Introduced birds such as Rock Doves (park pigeons), European
Starling, Budgerigar, etc., are not included in this law.
(By the way, starlings make terrific cagebirds.)

+--
| I fully accept the criminal nature of the act which I 
| implicated myself in, but having watched a kestral snatch 
| the first two fledglings off the nest in my bathoom window,  
| I was in no mood to concern myself with the letter of the 
| law.
+--

Typical prejudice against birds of prey---the kestrel was
probably feeding young!  Raptors have to eat too.  No
smiley here---I'm not shy about being a predator fan;
a bumper sticker on my car reads, ``Save the Great White
Shark.''
-- 
John Shipman/Zoological Data Processing/Socorro, NM/john@jupiter.nmt.edu
``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.''  --Dave Farber

afsipmh@cid.aes.doe.CA (Patrick Hertel) (07/30/90)

In article <1990Jul28.033019.5059@ddsw1.MCS.COM> arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
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> 
> Subject: Re: HEAD JERKING OF WALKING BIRDS
> 
> 

 I believe that the head jerking is due to the fact that a bird's eye is 
fixed and therefore it has to move its head to "refresh" its receptors.
It would explain why the head jerk is not necessary when the bird is carried 
and looking off to the side.
-- 
Pat Hertel                 Canadian Meteorological Centre
Analyst/Programmer         2121 N. Service Rd.
phertel@cmc.aes.doe.ca     Dorval,Quebec
Environment Canada         CANADA           H9P1J3

chrish@videovax.tv.tek.com (Chris Hawes) (08/01/90)

> I believe that the head jerking is due to the fact that a bird's eye is 
>fixed and therefore it has to move its head to "refresh" its receptors.
>It would explain why the head jerk is not necessary when the bird is carried 
>and looking off to the side.
>-- 
>Pat Hertel                 Canadian Meteorological Centre

I'll buy that.  Pat, if that's "known" fact, it sure sounds like it.
Thanks for the best answer I've read so far on this question.  Does
anyone out there know about the difference in these walking bird
eye receptors as compared to non-walking bird eye receptors?

chris at Tektronix TV Meas. Sys.  "... We gotta move these color TV's"
						Dire Straights

keithl@loop.uucp (Keith Lofstrom;;;646-6296) (08/02/90)

I got here late; sorry if this has already been suggested:

Birds have small brains, and can't distinguish between their own motion and the 
motion of the predators they are trying to avoid.   If you watch the head closely,
it holds still while the bird's body continues forward, then jerks forward to a
new fixed position.  This feeds a series of stationary images to the bird's brain,
and makes moving objects in the visual field more obvious.

Why doesn't a bird's head move when riding on a shoulder?  Birds didn't evolve
to ride on shoulders;  the built-in reflexes are wrong.


-- 
Keith Lofstrom  keithl@loop.uucp ...!sun!nosun!loop!keithl (503)628-3645
KLIC --- Keith Lofstrom Integrated Circuits --- "Your Ideas in Silicon"
Design Contracting in Bipolar and CMOS - Analog, Digital, and Power ICs

mjm@oliven.olivetti.com (Michael Mammoser) (08/06/90)

In article <1990Jul28.033019.5059@ddsw1.MCS.COM>, arf@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:
> 
>  I fully accept the criminal nature of the act which I 
>  implicated myself in, but having watched a kestral snatch 
>  the first two fledglings off the nest in my bathoom window,  
>  I was in no mood to concern myself with the letter of the 
>  law.

	What was it that you thought you were accomplishing?
It seems that there are two possible consequences of your action.
You deprive a kestrel of a meal and: (a) the kestrel, not being
able to nourish itself, dies. Now you have a dead kestrel rather
than a dead dove. Do you place an intrinsically higher value on
doves than kestrels? (b) the kestrel goes off and takes some other
bird. Now you have some other bird dead rather than a dead dove.
Are doves worth more than some other species? What if the other
bird taken was also a dove? Just what were you accomplishing?


>  One responder suggested that the behavior was an adjustment 
>  for continually changing focal distance.  This seems like a 
>  reasonable answer but I can't help but wonder why these 
>  birds have such a limited depth of field.  One assumes that 
>  it must be on the order of 1/2 inch because that amount of 
>  head movement seems to put things right again.

	One of the best theories that I've heard is that the
bird does this to provide the parallax necessary to make
distance judgements. Animals with binocular vision, such as
people, view objects with both eyes at the same time. Since the
eyes are separated by some distance, the position of the object
with respect to the distant background is different in each eye.
This difference (parallax) is the way that we make accurate
judgements of the distance that the object is at. Birds with 
monocular vision are viewing a distant object with only one eye.
They bob their heads back and forth to shift the position of
their eye in order to provide this parallax. Sounds logical anyway.

Mike