[sci.bio] Signals from electronic devices?

cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) (05/19/91)

Some background: I used to have a small digital clock (LCD display)
that switched between displaying the time and date every second or
two.  I noticed that every time I looked at it, at first glance it was
displaying the date, and from then on switched normally.  I even took
it to school and demonstrated this to a few other people.  It happened
at least 20 times in a row, and the only time I remember it failing
was when I looked at it twice in a few seconds.  I recently remembered
this, and became curious.

--I'm aware that this could be pure chance, since probably thousands of the
clocks were sold, and that chance it would happen to *someone* is pretty
high.

--However, before I know more about it, there's also a possibility that there
was some sort of signal from the clock that I was picking up, though I was
not aware of such a signal.

--I am not looking for any new-age explanation.

As far as I can see, there are three possibilities:  
1) My time sense is good enough that I could subconsciously time when I looked
at the thing, so it would always be on the date.  My time sense could be 
"recalibrated" from other clocks, etc... but still it would have to be on the
order of one second in several hours.  

2) The clock was making some kind of noise that I was hearing.  Given that
the things run for years on a very small battery, I tend to doubt this.  
What is the quietest noise the ear is capable of picking up?  What is the 
quietest noise the ear can pick up in an environment of normal background
noise?  (The brain can filter all sorts of noise out of conscious attention;
I'm interested in physiological capability.)

3) The clock was emitting some kind of electromagnetic radiation that I was
detecting.  I haven't heard of any kind of EM detector in humans except for
eyes, and I know they weren't getting the information.  But it's the only
other thing I can think of (aside from me somehow influencing the clock,
which is *very* unlikely--it's much harder to change the state of your 
average digital circuit than the state of a neuron.)  Actually, I've heard 
that people can hear a modulated microwave beam--it causes thermal expansion,
and thus physical sound waves that the ear can pick up.  But this would 
require more energy than sound.

So: Can anyone comment on the possibility of any of these modes of 
communication working?  Can anyone think of any others?  If no one can
think of any way this could happen aside from chance, I'll try to get 
another of the clocks and do a test on it.  I may solicit suggestions for
the test later, from these groups or from sci.skeptic.



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dmesatr@dutrun2.tudelft.nl (Arthur van der Harg) (05/19/91)

In article <19377@csli.Stanford.EDU> cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) writes:
"Some background: I used to have a small digital clock (LCD display)
"that switched between displaying the time and date every second or
"two.  I noticed that every time I looked at it, at first glance it was
"displaying the date, and from then on switched normally.  I even took
"it to school and demonstrated this to a few other people.  It happened
"at least 20 times in a row, and the only time I remember it failing
"was when I looked at it twice in a few seconds.  I recently remembered
"this, and became curious.

[ Mechanisms for "look-now" signals deleted ]

"So: Can anyone comment on the possibility of any of these modes of 
"communication working?  Can anyone think of any others?  If no one can
"think of any way this could happen aside from chance, I'll try to get 
"another of the clocks and do a test on it.  I may solicit suggestions for
"the test later, from these groups or from sci.skeptic.

"Chris Phoenix			cphoenix@csli.stanford.edu

It's very well possible that you happened to look at the clock when it
showed the date a couple of times in a row. When you got aware of this,
two things could have happened:

a] If you looked at the clock and it showed the time you did not
consciously see this, and only got aware when it showed the date.

b] You saw the clock from the corner of your eye (subconsciously) and
when it showed the date you would say "hey look, it shows the date
again".

My mother has about the same phenomenon with the clock on the VCR. She
always manages to see the times "10:10" "11:11" "12:12" etc. .

I think it is the recognition of the event that made you aware of it.

Does this make any sense ?

Arthur


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finn@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Lee Samuel Finn) (05/20/91)

In article <19377@csli.Stanford.EDU> cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) writes:
>Some background: I used to have a small digital clock (LCD display)
>that switched between displaying the time and date every second or
>two.  I noticed that every time I looked at it, at first glance it was
>displaying the date, and from then on switched normally.  I even took
>it to school and demonstrated this to a few other people.  It happened
>at least 20 times in a row, and the only time I remember it failing
>was when I looked at it twice in a few seconds.  I recently remembered
>this, and became curious.
>

Assuming you have not subconciously timed your clock (a possibility you
raise), and that there is a definite bias in the observations (and not
that you are just preferentially noticing date on the first glance
events), then a more likely suggestion is that the time spent in date
display mode is greater than the time spent in time display mode. 

> . . .
>-- 
>Chris Phoenix			cphoenix@csli.stanford.edu
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jallen@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (Joseph Allen) (05/25/91)

In article <19377@csli.Stanford.EDU> cphoenix@csli.Stanford.EDU (Chris Phoenix) writes:
>Some background: I used to have a small digital clock (LCD display)
>that switched between displaying the time and date every second or
>two.  I noticed that every time I looked at it, at first glance it was
>displaying the date, and from then on switched normally.  I even took
>it to school and demonstrated this to a few other people.  It happened
>at least 20 times in a row, and the only time I remember it failing
>was when I looked at it twice in a few seconds.  I recently remembered
>this, and became curious.

>--I am not looking for any new-age explanation.

Your clock has a *crystal* in it you know...

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