kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) (06/20/91)
can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do better on scholastic-type intelligence tests?
cnorley@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Chris Norley) (06/20/91)
In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? > Well, I'm no expert, but I don't think you could get the dolphins to hold their pencils. :-) -- Chris Norley | Imaging Research Labs | Robarts' Research Institute University Of Western Ontario | P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Drive London, Ont., Canada, N6A 5K8 | Phone: (519) 663-5777 x4135 | Fax: (519)663-3789 Email: cnorley@irus.rri.uwo.ca with a led-filled snowshoe ,but not too seriously
dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark) (06/20/91)
In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? > The answer should be, "no, an expert cannot tell us that." David Mark dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
frist@ccu.umanitoba.ca (06/20/91)
In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? > I'm not an expert, but I think the dolphins would have a tough time filling out the optical scanning forms. At least chimps could be taught to use a pencil. =============================================================================== Brian Fristensky | Department of Plant Science | Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy University of Manitoba | to go fly a kite. Winnipeg, MB R3T 2N2 CANADA | frist@ccu.umanitoba.ca | Office phone: 204-474-6085 | - Robert A. Heinlein FAX: 204-275-5128 | ===============================================================================
davidh@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (David A. Helweg) (06/21/91)
In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? > Chimps would outperform dolphins *hands-down*, as they have opposable thumbs and generally greater manual dexterity, which would allow them to fill in the bubble sheets much more neatly. ;-) Seriously now, what animal gets around better, a horse or a dolphin? Each performs well subject to the constraints of the environment to which it is adapted, in which it has evolved. The scholastic test is biased towards the ecological and social conditions of modern-day (white middle-class male) humans. To make such comparisons, if valid at all, the tests would have to reflect each species' natural history. dah & hlr & heh
bjr@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Brian J Ross) (06/21/91)
In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? Dolphins know more about sharks than chimps. -- Brian Ross. Diet Pepsi rules. bjr@aipna.ed.ac.uk
6600spam@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Tom Maynard) (06/23/91)
In article <1991Jun21.094620@aifh.ed.ac.uk> bjr@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Brian J Ross) writes: >In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >>can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >>better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? >Dolphins know more about sharks than chimps. Chimps can hold pencils much more effectively. Also, scantron forms work very poorly underwater. Chimps:1 Dolphins:1 Anyone for a tie-breaker? --Tom Maynard 6600spam@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu Undergrad Bio-Geek at Large...
kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) (06/23/91)
In article <12184@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600spam@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Tom Maynard) writes: >In article <1991Jun21.094620@aifh.ed.ac.uk> bjr@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Brian J Ross) writes: >>In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >>>can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >>>better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? > >>Dolphins know more about sharks than chimps. >Chimps can hold pencils much more effectively. Also, scantron forms >work very poorly underwater. >Chimps:1 Dolphins:1 >Anyone for a tie-breaker? >--Tom Maynard 6600spam@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu > Undergrad Bio-Geek at Large... ok, forget the test. who would do better in a phd program?
linden@dutecal.et.tudelft.nl (;Hans van der Linden) (06/23/91)
In article <1991Jun23.014533.22228@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >In article <12184@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600spam@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Tom Maynard) writes: >>In article <1991Jun21.094620@aifh.ed.ac.uk> bjr@aifh.ed.ac.uk (Brian J Ross) writes: >>>In article <1991Jun20.015644.11346@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >>>>can an expert tell us if chimps or dolphins/porpoises would do >>>>better on scholastic-type intelligence tests? >> >>>Dolphins know more about sharks than chimps. >>Chimps can hold pencils much more effectively. Also, scantron forms >>work very poorly underwater. >>Chimps:1 Dolphins:1 >>Anyone for a tie-breaker? >>--Tom Maynard 6600spam@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu >> Undergrad Bio-Geek at Large... > >ok, forget the test. who would do better in a phd program? For that matter, who would conduct one better?
kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) (06/24/91)
In article <1991Jun23.133553.29294@donau.et.tudelft.nl> linden@dutecal.et.tudelft.nl (;Hans van der Linden) writes: >In article <1991Jun23.014533.22228@bnlux1.bnl.gov> kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) writes: >>>Chimps:1 Dolphins:1 >>>Anyone for a tie-breaker? >>>--Tom Maynard 6600spam@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu >> >>ok, forget the test. who would do better in a phd program? > >For that matter, who would conduct one better? well, my advisor is a chimp... but don't know too much about dolphins...