wcwells%ucbopal.cc.ucb-vax.arpa@BRL.ARPA (William C. Wells) (10/11/85)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 85 17:58:50 pdt From: wcwells@ucbopal (William C. Wells) Message-Id: <8510110058.AA07761@ucbopal.Berkeley.Edu> To: ZELLICH@SRI-NIC.ARPA Subject: nameservers do not know about domains In reply to: From ZELLICH@SRI-NIC.ARPA Sat Oct 5 01:12:40 1985 Date: Sat 5 Oct 85 00:13:07-PDT From: Rich Zellich <ZELLICH@SRI-NIC.ARPA> Subject: Re: List-of-lists distribution To: wcwells@BERKELEY Message-Id: <12148618239.12.ZELLICH@SRI-NIC.ARPA> Status: O Looks like I can't; SRI-NIC's mailer doesn't like most of your domain-style addresses, including ucbjade.Berkeley.EDU. Do you have a non-domain-style address for netinfo@...? -Rich ------- For Header-People: Ha. So much for a domain mailing system. What happen to the idea that the nameserver was suppose to check the next level up in the domain address "Berkeley.EDU" to find a nameserver for unknown lower domain levels, eg. if "local-address@unknown.BERKELEY.EDU" is not known, look for "BERKELEY.EDU" which should point to a nameserver on UCBVAX or UCBARPA. Do we have a software problem here? I also heard rumors that SRI was not allowing both a third level and second level domain name to be registered for a host. This would policy if true, distroys the concept of having distributed domain nameservers, since there is no pointer to a remote nameserver. Comments? For Rich: Try the old gateway format: netinfo%ucbjade@Berkeley.EDU for the List of Lists distribution. Bill Wells
chris@umcp-cs.UUCP (Chris Torek) (10/11/85)
If one is not using a name server, but rather a NIC-table lookup, one will find `jade.berkeley.edu' but not `ucbjade.berkeley.edu'. For this reason I think that Berkeley should send the former string. -- In-Real-Life: Chris Torek, Univ of MD Comp Sci Dept (+1 301 454 4251) UUCP: seismo!umcp-cs!chris CSNet: chris@umcp-cs ARPA: chris@mimsy.umd.edu
Rudy.Nedved@cmu-cs-a.ARPA (10/11/85)
There seems to be some confusion. When I looked into the UCBJADE case and talked to the UCBJADE postmaster, I found out UCB was not interested in sending a huge list of sites to NIC. Therefore, the domain system knows about UCBJADE but the old host table does not. It also seems that some people don't understand how to deal with distributed name service...SRI-NIC domain server is NOT going to know about UCBjADE.BERKELEY.EDU...It does however know about BERKELEY.EDU and CMU.EDU and MIT.EDU and so on. Given my understanding of the situation, I am glad a good number of Berkeley hosts are not in the old host table. It motivates people to get their domain resolvers up (like me) and the rest to do some creative hacks like local additions to their host table which will one day blow up in their face. Effectively both MIT with their CHAOSNET problem and Berkeley with many hosts not listed in the table are aiding in the developement of the domain system. Now all that has to be done is get people of the belief system of trying to use a domain name as a routing address straigten out...[Some people around CMU thought, well the mail goes to the EDU mail relay which goes to the CMU mail relay which goes to the CS mail relay for addresses like ....CS.CMU.EDU...] Rudy Nedved CMU Postmaster