[net.mail.headers] news being bounced off arpanet!

fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU (Erik E. &) (10/25/85)

In article <2323@ukma.UUCP> sean@ukma.UUCP (Sean Casey) writes:
>>Various complaints about arpanet messages sent to usenet people because
>>some arpanet machine couldn't contact another to forward a mailing list. 
>
>I am quite seriously thinking of writing a program to pull such messages out
>of my mailbox and mail them back to the offending machine.  I think maybe if
>something like that got posted and people started using it then the people
>responsible would take action to correct it.

Consider yourself lucky. Every message that leaves the USENET from ucbvax
bound for an ARPANET mailing list has two headers added to it:

	Sender: usenet@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
	Errors-To: usenet@ucbvax.berkeley.edu

I'm usenet@ucbvax.berkeley.edu. Imagine my mailbox.

If a mailer is implemented properly, it should send error messages
back to the `Sender:'. `Errors-To:' is something that sendmail knows
about, which I insert as insurance.

The offending systems that have been incorrectly routing error messages
back to the USENET poster are all TENEX/TWENEX systems. I encourage you
to bombard the mailbox

	postmaster@offending.arpa.host

for each error message you receive. If you (and others) lambast the
individual postmasters sufficiently, perhaps they will in turn poke the
mailer implementer(s) to FIX the damned things. Among other odious
behaviour exhibited by these mailers is that they will try an address
for three days, and EACH DAY they will send an update if the message
has not gotten through. Personally, I only want to know when my message
finally fails. Before that, I don't want to hear it!

	keeper of the network news for ucbvax,
		and guardian of the gateway,

	Erik E. Fair	ucbvax!fair	fair@ucbarpa.BERKELEY.EDU