VSHANK@weizmann (Henry Nussbacher) (07/08/86)
Wrong! The document you are looking at is quite old. I have a copy from March 11, 1986 that reads as follows: > 12 MAIL - EARN TO JANET > > The EARN node must offer some means of constructing mail according to > the RFC822 standard and sending it to userid MAILER at EARN node UKACRL. > The Columbia Mailer with an appropriate internet exit is one such > suitable system. The destination system must offer 'Grey Book' mail. > > The 'To:' field must contain: > > To: receiver%nrsname@AC.UK > > 'receiver' is normally the identification of a recipient which may be a > distribution list, a username, or a real name depending on the > destination. 'nrsname' is a registered name of a 'Grey Book' mail > system. > > Access to a number of destinations is barred for regulatory reasons. We have been sending mail into UKACRL with an RFC822 envelope (no BSMTP envelope supported yet) with addresses in the following form: user%nrsname@AC.UK user@reversed_nrsname In actuality, 'AC.UK' is an alias for UKACRL. 'nrsname' is the janet address in 'UK.AC.....' format. The 'reversed_nsrname' format also works: user@node.node.AC.UK as long as the mail gets to MAILER@UKACRL. Hank
zben@umd5.ARPA (Ben Cranston) (07/09/86)
Subject: Re: Problems with Janet and Bitnet References: <1942@brl-smoke.ARPA> Reply-To: zben@umd5.UUCP (Ben Cranston) Organization: University of Maryland, College Park In article <1942@brl-smoke.ARPA> SLG6M%USU.BITNET@WISCVM.arpa writes: > Help! I have been trying without success for the past two weeks > to send a mail message to Nigel Holder at Marconi Research. I > am connected to Bitnet, which allegedly has the capability to > send mail to JANET via a gateway at a Bitnet node called UKACRL > in London. It gets to London via Bitnet OK, but then I keep getting > "YF21@UK.CO.GEC-MRC.U Is an invalid assress. No delivery made." > mailed back to me? Any ideas a) what's going wrong here, and b) > how do I send a message to Nigel? a: There's some kind of bovine feces about passwords using that gateway, see below for more information. b: I would suggest you use the other address: yf21%u.gec-mrc.co.uk@ucl-cs that Nigel advertises in his .signature. Note that the British net uses backwards domaining, and that ucl-cs reverses it for you while ukacrl does not. c: Bovine Feces: From "EDUCOM NETWORKING" Volume 2 Number 1 1986 page 6: EARNET/JANET GATEWAY DEVELOPMENT A gateway between the European Academic Research Network (EARN) and the Joint Academic Network for academic and research institutes in the United Kingdom (JANET) is under development at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in England. Currently EARN, BITNET's European counterpart, numbers 269 nodes. With the addition of JANET, networking capabilities expand by approximately 200 computers. When fully operational, the gateway will allow transfer of files and mail between BITNET/EARN/NetNorth and JANET sites. NetNorth, the 81-node Canadian academic and research network, has direct links to BITNET and EARN. The file transfer facilities of the gateway are available now. To transfer a file to a JANET node, the first two lines of the file must be: //* *FILE SITE=site name,USER=user id,PSWD=password,DEV=file //* *FILE FILE=file name,KEEP=NO The password is normally the one associated with the userid. However, password information may not be required, particularly on IBM VM/CMS systems. The file should be send to id JANET at EARN node UKACRL. The mail gateway to JANET is under development and should be available by late March. When this work is complete, BITNET/EARN/NetNorth nodes with Columbia mailers can send mail to JANET nodes with the following address: userid@site.AC.UK For example, mail to Fred on JANET node RL.GB would be send with the address: Fred@GB.RL.AC.UK Note that node names must be reversed for transmission into JANET. That is, the node at which Fred receives his mail would be presented on a JANET node list as UK.AC.RL.GB. BITNET/EARN/NetNorth nodes without the Columbia mailer must send files to communicate with JANET nodes. JANET uses the "Coloured Books" protocols developed in the U.K., and BITNET/EARN/NetNorth use IBM's NJE/NJI protocols. Due to lack of standardization in both environments, not all facilities will be available to all nodes. For mail transfer, the BITNET/EARN/NetNorth node must provide the Columbia mailer or compatable system, and the JANET node must offer "Grey Book" mail. Binary file transfer will only be supported between IBM nodes on either network. Interactive messaging will not be supported through the gateway. Not all JANET sites will be known to the gateway at Rutherford. A list of available nodes will be posted on NICSERVE when the gateway is operational. -CKW [OK zben here again] Whew. The bovine feces concern the password stuff. There is probably a password built into the binary for the Columbia mailer, which is an object-only distribution. The Columbia mailer is written in IBM assembler code, so you can see how much fun it is trying to support a non-IBM-370 machine on BitNet, and why non-IBM-370 machines are sometimes made to feel second-class citizens. Oh well. If you've read this far, you might wonder how to get from BITNET to the ARPA gateway. I don't know for sure, because I don't know if WISCVM does the 'rightmost percent sign' stuff for multiple gateways. One might write an address like: yf21%u.gec-mrc.co.uk%ucl-cs.arpa@wiscvm ^ ^ and one would want wiscvm to interpret the RIGHTMOST percent sign of the two. I think this is the right thing to do, and all MY mail software does this. If you support a mailer that does percent sign, consider implementing this subtle point. Also note that there was a five-part SENDMAIL patch system posted to mod.sources some time ago. I printed it off but quite frankly do not know enough to pick out which gateway it finally ended up using out of the mass of stuff posted. The ID coordinates were: 1636, 1638, 1639, 1642, and 1643 at "panda.UUCP". They were submitted by: Jim Crammond <seismo!mcvax!cs.hw.ac.uk!jim> Some people call me a packrat. - umd5.UUCP <= {seismo!umcp-cs,ihnp4!rlgvax}!cvl!umd5!zben Ben Cranston zben @ umd2.UMD.EDU <= Kingdom of Merryland Sperrows 1100/92 umd2.BITNET "via HASP with RSCS"
stephen@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Stephen J. Muir) (07/10/86)
In article <2033@brl-smoke.ARPA> zben@umd5.ARPA writes: >Subject: Re: Problems with Janet and Bitnet >References: <1942@brl-smoke.ARPA> >Reply-To: zben@umd5.UUCP (Ben Cranston) >Organization: University of Maryland, College Park > >In article <1942@brl-smoke.ARPA> SLG6M%USU.BITNET@WISCVM.arpa writes: > >> Help! I have been trying without success for the past two weeks >> to send a mail message to Nigel Holder at Marconi Research. I >> am connected to Bitnet, which allegedly has the capability to >> send mail to JANET via a gateway at a Bitnet node called UKACRL >> in London. It gets to London via Bitnet OK, but then I keep getting >> "YF21@UK.CO.GEC-MRC.U Is an invalid assress. No delivery made." >> mailed back to me? Any ideas a) what's going wrong here, and b) >> how do I send a message to Nigel? >b: I would suggest you use the other address: > > yf21%u.gec-mrc.co.uk@ucl-cs > > that Nigel advertises in his .signature. Note that the British net uses > backwards domaining, and that ucl-cs reverses it for you while ukacrl > does not. The address "u.gec-mrc.co.uk" doesn't, in fact, exist! Maybe there is a typo in his signature file for there are a few other addresses very similar that do exist. Indeed, some with only 1 letter different. Send me his signature file and I will try to help you! As postmaster of a machine on JANET, I will try to put the record straight. There are 3 gateways onto JANET/PSS. (JANET addresses are "*.ac.uk" and PSS address are "*.co.uk". "ac" = "academic-community", "co" = "commercial organisation".) The gateways are as follows: UUCP: ...!seismo!mcvax!ukc ... also known as ukc.ac.uk This gateway maps UUCP names onto the equivalent JANET/PSS ones. Mail may only be sent to/from authorised JANET/PSS *sites* if the other site is outside the UK. The JANET/PSS site *must pay* for *incoming or outgoing* mail! ARPA: cs.ucl.ac.uk ... also known as ucl-cs.arpa Only authorised JANET/PSS *users* can send mail through this gateway. Mail can be sent to JANET hosts free of charge. I'm not sure about mail to PSS sites. This gateway does not recognise UUCP names! BITNET/EARN/NORTHNET: UKACRL (ukacrl.earn) ... also known as earn.rl.ac.uk This gateway is free in both directions! Does not recognise UUCP names. >Also note that there was a five-part SENDMAIL patch system posted to >mod.sources some time ago. I printed it off but quite frankly do not know >enough to pick out which gateway it finally ended up using out of the mass >of stuff posted. The ID coordinates were: 1636, 1638, 1639, 1642, and 1643 >at "panda.UUCP". They were submitted by: > > Jim Crammond <seismo!mcvax!cs.hw.ac.uk!jim> I must personally vouch for this package. It is excellent and is used by the majority of UK sites that handle mail properly. Finally, every UUCP site in the UK has a domain name which is mapped by ukc.ac.uk. Not all these are registered with the UK central registry (called the "NRS" = "Name Registration Scheme"). Those that are not registered will only be addressable by the ukc.ac.uk gateway. Those that are will also be addressible from cs.ucl.ac.uk (and by earn.rl.ac.uk within a "reasonably short time period"). Also, most sites registered in the NRS do not have a UUCP name. The "u.gec-mrc.co.uk" machine is not in either the UUCP or NRS tables. -- EMAIL: stephen@comp.lancs.ac.uk | Post: University of Lancaster, UUCP: ...!mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!stephen | Department of Computing, Phone: +44 524 65201 Ext. 4120 | Bailrigg, Lancaster, UK. Project:Alvey ECLIPSE Distribution | LA1 4YR
stef@nrtc-gremlin.ARPA (Einar Stefferud) (07/11/86)
Hello All -- I believe the time has come for MsgGroup to cease automatic distribution and quietly go out of business. The traffic has become less and less relevant and now tends to be mostly cross postings from folks who are just trying to achieve maximum coverage for some reason. So, without further ado, I am going to replace the main distribution list with a simple redirector to myself so I can monitor your reactions. I will continue to capture all the traffic, and add it to the complete archives I have collected over the years, but the time has come to close out what has been a very interesting 11 years of mail system pioneering. My very best to you all - Stef (MsgGroup Moderator since June, 1975)