[net.mail.headers] Timezone -- and header hammering.

RMRichardson.PA@xerox.ARPA (Rich) (09/27/86)

Oops, I forgot to send this out when it was timely so here it is late
...


The problem for Don Winter appears to be that he "lives" on the far side
of 
a Xerox gateway that is shooting the "Date:" line in the header.  The
examples 
following are: Jacob Palme's header, Jacob's earlier header as Don
received it, 
and a pair of headers from a message I received from the two Xerox mail 
handling systems.

From example 1 <<Date: 20 Aug 86 18:48 +0200>> we see +0200 just as
Jacob says. 
Now from example 4 we find <<Date: 22 Aug 86 21:49:00 PDT (Friday)>> but
note 
that this header appears to be rather minimal, and in fact, the
"message" 
contains another header between two lines of GVs.  This contained header
is 
the remnant of the header in example 3.  

ARPA net mail gets to Xerox through a single gateway (at PARC in
California) 
and is sent to the addressee via the GrapeVine (old) mail system.  (In
the 
examples the addressees are DLs and so the messages are redistributed to
the individuals therein.)  Many people no longer have GV addresses, but
are 
on the NS (newer) mail system so their messages must go through the 
GV <=> NS gateway.  Example 3 is the copy delivered by the GV system;
example 
4 went through the gateway and NS mail.  The gateway has built a new
header, 
and shoved the old header in the message (surrounded by lines of
GVGV...).  
However, the gateway has created a new date/time line 
<<Date: 22 Aug 86 21:49:00 PDT (Friday)>> AND deleted the old one 
<<Date: Fri, 22 Aug 86 09:57:04 pdt>> from the embedded copy.

In Don Winter's case, the original date and timezone was lost at Xerox
and 
not MIT.


Rich

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Example 1:
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GVInfo: @AI.AI.MIT.EDU:Jacob_Palme_QZ%QZCOM.MAILNET@MULTICS.MIT.EDU,
from 3#37, at 23-Aug-86  5:27:13 PDT (return to
Owners-XeroxHeaderPeople^.x)
Return-Path:
<@AI.AI.MIT.EDU:Jacob_Palme_QZ%QZCOM.MAILNET@MULTICS.MIT.EDU>
Redistributed: XeroxHeaderPeople^.x
Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by Xerox.COM ; 23 AUG 86 04:44:20 PDT
Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by AI.AI.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 23 AUG 86
07:36:21 EDT
Received: from MIT-MULTICS.ARPA by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 23 Aug 86 07:35:18 EDT
Received: from QZCOM.MAILNET by MIT-MULTICS.ARPA with Mailnet id
<2702632744728087@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA>; 23 Aug 1986 07:19:04 edt
Date: 20 Aug 86 18:48 +0200
From: Jacob_Palme_QZ@QZCOM.Mailnet
Reply-to: Jacob_Palme_QZ@QZCOM.Mailnet
To: header-people <header-people@MIT-MC.ARPA>
Subject:     Re: Timezone
Message-ID:  <196650@QZCOM>
In-Reply-To: <860819-085256-1588@Xerox>


Example 2:
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> "From: Jacob_Palme_QZ@QZCOM.Mailnet
> Reply-to: Jacob_Palme_QZ@QZCOM.Mailnet,
> Header_People_mailing_lists@QZCOM.Mailnet
> To: Header_People_mailing_lists@QZCOM.Mailnet, header-people
> <header-people@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU>
> Subject: Timezone
> In-Reply-To: <193304@QZCOM>
> Return-Path:
> <@AI.AI.MIT.EDU:Jacob_Palme_QZ%QZCOM.MAILNET@MULTICS.MIT.EDU>
> Redistributed: XeroxHeaderPeople^.x
> Received: from AI.AI.MIT.EDU by Xerox.COM ; 18 AUG 86 12:53:44 PDT
> Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by AI.AI.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 18 AUG 86
> 15:02:18 EDT
> Received: from MIT-MULTICS.ARPA by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Aug 86 15:00:52
EDT
> Received: from QZCOM.MAILNET by MIT-MULTICS.ARPA with Mailnet id
> <2702227243514690@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA>; 18 Aug 1986 14:40:43 edt
> Message-ID: <193931@QZCOM>"


Example 3:
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GVInfo: arpa-mhs-request@BRL.ARPA, from 3#37, at 22-Aug-86 21:49:00 PDT
(return to Owners-arpa-mhs^.x) 
Return-Path: <arpa-mhs-request@BRL.ARPA>
Redistributed: arpa-mhs^.x
Received: from BRL-ADM.ARPA by Xerox.COM ; 22 AUG 86 14:05:42 PDT
Received: from brl-aos.arpa by ADM.BRL.ARPA id aa04397; 22 Aug 86 16:09
EDT
Received: from csnet-relay.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a006436; 22 Aug 86
16:00 EDT
Received: from ubc by csnet-relay.csnet id af04903; 22 Aug 86 13:22 EDT
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 86 09:57:04 pdt
Received: by ubc.csnet id AA15618; Fri, 22 Aug 86 09:57:04 pdt
From: Erik Skovgaard <erik%sydney.cdn@ubc.CSNET>
To: Einar Stefferud <stef@nrtc-gremlin.arpa>
Cc: arpa-mhs@BRL.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <3978.524969962@nrtc-gremlin.northrop.com>
Message-Id: <984:erik@sydney.cdn>
Subject: Re: Query on Domain Defined Attributes in ORNames 


Example 4:
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Sender: arpa-mhs-request%BRL:ARPA:Xerox
Date: 22 Aug 86 21:49:00 PDT (Friday)
Subject: Re: Query on Domain Defined Attributes in ORNames
From: erik%sydney.cdn%ubc:CSNet
To: stef%nrtc-gremlin
cc: arpa-mhs%BRL
In-Reply-to: <3978.524969962@nrtc-gremlin.northrop.com>

GVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGVGV
From: Erik Skovgaard <erik%sydney.cdn@ubc.CSNET>
To: Einar Stefferud <stef@nrtc-gremlin.arpa>
Cc: arpa-mhs@BRL.ARPA
In-Reply-To: <3978.524969962@nrtc-gremlin.northrop.com>
Subject: Re: Query on Domain Defined Attributes in ORNames
Return-Path: <arpa-mhs-request@BRL.ARPA>
Redistributed: arpa-mhs^.x
Received: from BRL-ADM.ARPA by Xerox.COM ; 22 AUG 86 14:05:42 PDT
Received: from brl-aos.arpa by ADM.BRL.ARPA id aa04397; 22 Aug 86 16:09
EDT
Received: from csnet-relay.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a006436; 22 Aug 86
16:00 EDT
Received: from ubc by csnet-relay.csnet id af04903; 22 Aug 86 13:22 EDT
Received: by ubc.csnet id AA15618; Fri, 22 Aug 86 09:57:04 pdt
Message-Id: <984:erik@sydney.cdn>
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