[net.nlang] Regularity of Languages

bsg (07/16/82)

I've read somewhere that the OLDER a language is, the more
regular it tends to be.  This seems to support the notion
that as civilization (or at least time) advanced, humans 
developed the ability to do more complex language processing.  
I think--although I'm not sure--that I read this in an interview 
with Anthony Burgess in which he was discussing the language which 
he developed for the film "Quest For Fire."  What little I know supports 
this, in that the only foreign language that I speak is Hebrew;
that is both a great deal older and a lot more regular than English.
(Although it has been modernized somewhat, the modern version is firmly 
rooted in the biblical language.)

I'm not sure quite what this proves, except maybe that attempts to
regularize language are probably doomed.  I don't know if this applies
to spelling reform as well.

Two other comments--
I say Mary, merry, and marry three different ways BUT I can't distinguish
(in speaking or hearing) ferry from furry--tho I've been laughed at
for saying them the same, I honestly don't know the difference.
(P.S. I'm originally from Philadelphia, if that has any bearing.)

If the Irish did such a magnificent job of spelling reform, why is 
it that the name (of a town) "Dun Laoghaire" (I may have a few letters
off, but it's something like that) is pronounced as "Done Leery?"
And for that matter, why is it that driving thru Ireland, when you
see signs that say "X 10 miles" then "X 5 miles" then "X 2 miles"
etc., X of course a variable, X is spelled differently on each of
those signs?  This occurs repeatedly--or did when I was last there, in
1974.

					Billie Goldstein
					Bell Labs Neptune NJ
					...!npois!bsg

miker@sri-unix (07/19/82)

Billie Goldstein's suggestion that older languages are more regular is
quite an interesting one.  I'm not sure whether it is because our brains
are evolving.  One might think that over the years some of the rough edges
get knocked off by the process which we often call "bad grammar".

1.)  Are our brains evolving?
	There is a seriously proposed theory that human brain processing
underwent a profound change at a few thousand years B.C.  Legends prior
to that time feature almost continuous contact between man and gods,
while after this time men tend to have more control over their own actions.
The theory is that early man internalised the structure of society in the
form of an distinct personality or separate conscience/god, that is, what
we would call today a schizophrenic.  Later, the ego (in Freudian terms)
came to dominate or mediate between the id and the superego to produce a
much more self-aware personality.  But I don't see how this would affect
the regularity of language, except perhaps that the Version 1 brain would
not accept language changes so rapidly.

2.)  Are older languages more regular?
	I don't know very much about Hebrew except that it wasn't really
used as a spoken language for about 2500 years until just recently.
What I mean is that it was learned by people in connection with their
religious duties, and so could be spoken as a lingua franca by educated
Jews from different countries, but stayed relatively unchanged because
its use was always related to the scriptures.  I'm sure this is probably
an over-simplified version, but this would discount the "knocking off the
rough edges" theory.  I have heard that Arabic is fairly regular, so
perhaps this is a characteristic of Semitic languages.  I spent some of
my misspent youth trying to learn ancient Greek, which is not particularly
regular but is certainly just as old as Hebrew.

3.)  Do languages get more or less regular with time?
	There is certainly a simplifying process going on, as in the
dropping of the person/number endings of verbs.  However, there is a
contrary process going on simultaneously with the formation of forms
such as "I'm" (which was probably how all those endings got there in
the first place).  (Before people were literate there was no need to
have very specific rules about how to divide speech into words.)
In many cases today's irregularities are the decayed remnants of
yesterday's regularities.  For example, there is a theory that
grammatical gender is the result of the decay of a classificatory
language like Bantu.  Even with the most ingenious linguistic analysis
we can only trace languages back a few thousand years, whereas people
were probably using speech as far back as the Neanderthal era.  So
assuming that brains have been working in much the same way as ours do
now for a while, all languages would have gone through many complication/
simplification cycles.  There are even some cultures in which, for
religious reasons, words which resemble the name of somebody who has just
died must be dropped from the language.  Imagine the poor anthropologist
returning after thirty years to discover a completely different language
is being spoken!

					Michael Robinson