[net.nlang] Rational spelling

rvpalliende (07/23/82)

Why do people think that changing spelling means having phonetic spelling?
English phonetics is far from rational  (people who drop their r's,
others who don't; people who rime "father" and "bother", and others who
don't; thousands ov homonyms, etc) therefore, a rational spelling
can't and shouldn't be phonetic. Anyway, all people who object
phonetic spelling because ov the problems that homonyms would generate
never complain about homographs, like read (reed, red),
tear (tir, ter), record (rekerd, rikurd), etc.
On the other hand, although there are some reasons not to have a (completely)
phonetic spelling, there is no reason not to make spelling more rational.
The following variants are in current use today:
catalogue 	catalog
centre		center
defence		defense
colour		color
sceptical	skeptical
None ov the spellings in the right hand side is "phonetic", but they
are better than the ones in the left hand side.
Why can't more variants ov this form be in effect?
Note that backwards compatibility isn't the source ov all spelling difficulties.
<I forget his given name> Johnson and other no too learned
scholars are responsible for respelling:
ache	It was thought that "ake" derived from Greek.
island  It was thought that "iland" derived from "insula". This word was
	actually respelled, to make it more "etymological". Actually the
	spelling ILAND is correct (although not socially accepted)
sovereign People thought that it had something to do with Latin
	  "regnus".
Therefore, the etymological argument is unsound as a reason to leave
spelling the way it is now.
Note also that many other difficulties are due to phonetic reasons:
Double consonants were introduced in a frustrated attempt ov indicating
the length ov a vowel. "Latter" and "later" are good examples where this
works. But the rule isn't used in all English words. If we had the
pair ov words "finite" and "infinnit" probably nobody would pronounce
in-fie-nite (Webster records the latter pronunciation as a variant, which
I'm certain, was developed due to the spelling)
"ch" instead ov "k", "ph" instead ov "f", and "y" instead ov "i" were
introduced in Latin for phonetic reasons. "ch" attempted to represent
a hard "h" sound (as "Kh" in Khomeini or "J" in La Jolla) "ph" was
the Greek "f" which used both lips instead ov only the upper lip and
the lower teeth (I can't hear the difference, but it seems that Romans could)
Finally, "y" represented a sound similar to French "u".
Why are the phonetic reasons the Romans had, more important than the
ones that people ov today may have?
To finish this a simple statistic: children taught to read in a
phonetic alphabet acquire 5th grade proficiency (by English standards)
by the middle ov grade 2. If a rational (and international) spelling
were adopted, this could be worsened, but probably not too much.

wagner (07/26/82)

The comment about 5th grade proficiency by grade 2 reminds me that, in hungary,
there is essentially no class called spelling in public school (or elsewhere).
My father could not understand what this discipline was about when he came here
at the end of high school.  The entire concept was foreign to him.  Hungarian
is spelled in an intuitive manner, freeing up much time and effort for more
useful learning.

Michael Wagner, UTCS

mmp (07/26/82)

#R:watmath:-308500:harpo:17900002:000:1076
harpo!mmp    Jul 26 10:59:00 1982

Somehow when I try to read an article about rational spelling written by
someone who won't spell "of" correctly, I can't seem to take it seriously.
It's extremely difficult to read something that's supposed to be in English
(American?) when one of the most frequently used words is spelled incorrectly.
I find that the main problem with "ov" is that it doesn't look at all like
"of".  It looks a lot more like "on" or "or", and neither word fits into the
context.  Then I have to consciously read the sentence again, figure out that
"ov" really means "of", and go on from there.  When I read, I don't pay a whole
lot of attention to individual letters.  Instead, I often see a word as a whole,
a sort of picture.  Spelling for me is more a matter of whether a word looks
right than anything else.  Anyway, "rational" spelling doesn't seem too rational
to me.  It's amazing how much a couple of words spelled "rationally" instead of
correctly will slow down my reading comprehension.

					Michelle Peetz
					BTL Whippany

P.S.  Doesn't "uv" make more sense than "ov" anyway?

bvi@sri-unix (07/28/82)

I agree with harpo!mmp.  I don't know what the fad is for 
spelling 'of' as 'ov', but it seems a meaningless affectation to
me.  Is it meant as a protest of some sort?  If so, then all the
words should be 'phonetically' spelled - that way,
I'd be prepared for a slow reading session, rather than read quickly
(the way I normally do), come across 'ov' as an aberration, and 
have to backtrack and re-parse.  Yes, I could eventually reprogram
the equivalence 'ov' == 'of', but (a) I don't want to and (b) it 
isn't worth it.

			Beatriz Infante, HP Design Aids Lab