[net.nlang] I knew they existed!

bobvan (11/25/82)

I recently heard a local radio announcer read a commercial for
a sale of oriental rugs:

	"...  We can offer you the lowest prices on fine oriental
	rugs because we deal directly with the talented artesians
	who make them".

First our beer, now our oriental rugs!  Who knows what those artesians
will start making next!

The announcer didn't catch her mistake, so I couldn't tell if it
was due to a slip of the tongue or just plain ignorance of the word
"artisan".  I suppose it could have been a typo in the copy too.
For those who are interested, it was Wendy Rice on WXRT, Chicago.

				Bob Van Valzah
				(...!decvax!ittvax!tpdcvax!bobvan)

hardie (11/25/82)

The problem could easily have been the announcer did not know how to pronounce
the word 'artisan'. I have noticed a curious mis-pronouncement (!?) that seems
indigenous to only a small area of Saskatchewan. The word 'height' is
pronounced as if it was spelled 'height-th' i.e. there is a terminating
soft 'th' sound after the 't'. As I was typing this followup, I had to
consult a dictionary to be sure of the spelling of 'height' (shame!) and asked
the secretary how it was spelled. She pronounces the word 'height-th' as well
so I asked her if she grew up in the area around Prince Albert (Sask) and sure
enough she did! My wife and her side of the family all come from that area
and they all pronounce it wrong (!) too. So does my boss and he also comes
from that area (hope you aren't reading this Bob!). Anyone any ideas about
how such a localized pronunciation can come about?
			Not afraid to sign my name even if the boss is
			reading this!
			Pete Hardie
			Operations Manager (still - I hope)
			U. of Sask.
			(utah-cs!sask!hardie)

dce (11/27/82)

In response to the last article saying that pronouncing 'height' as
'height-th' is wrong, stuff it! Not that I say it with a 'th' at the
end of the word, but you can't say a pronunciation is wrong. You can
say that it's different, but not wrong. Ask any linguist about Grimm's
Law. He (or she) won't say that the Great Vowel Shift was wrong.
Face up to it. Languages change in different ways and to different
degrees and you can't do anything about it, though many have tried.
Did you know that the Russian government once outlawed some of the
languages in order to attemt to force all of the people to use the
same language? Linguists don't try to tell people how to speak, but
describe how they speak. If you think you're so smart, say spurious.
If it doesn't come out with a y sound after the p, you aren't saying
it like in the dictionary. I could look up more frequently 'mispronounced'
words if you like, but I think you get my point.

			David Elliott