[net.nlang] genderless pronoun

lew (04/22/83)

We already have a genderless 3rd person singular pronoun. If anybody
doesn't believe me, they can look it up in their dictionary. That should
convince them!

	Lew Mammel, Jr. ihuxr!lew

mat (04/23/83)

I no longer agree fully with this, but Malcom Forbes suggested that there be
a single 3rd person singular pronoun: he--or--she--or--it, to be doubly 
contracted as h'orsh'it (no flames, please, this WAS published some years
ago in Forbes Magazine, in MSF's personal column).
					-!hou5e!mat
					Mark Terribile
					Duke of deNet

jack (04/24/83)

People who correspond (in English) about Loglan, an artificial language,
and who wish to use genderless pronouns, have been using Loglan pronouns
in their English sentences.  Loglan has no gender inflection.

urban (04/26/83)

The problem with using, say, 'da' (the Loglan all-purpose pronoun)
is that it isn't only gender-free, but also lacks the implication
of being a personal pronoun.  In other words, it's no better
than using 'it' as a gender-free pronoun.

Loglan is unique among synthetic languages in that its pronouns
carry no semantic content (gender, personhood) whatsoever.  For
those unfamiliar, the binding of the pronoun is established by
the most recently mentioned nominal phrase; different pronouns
are used for second-most-recent, etc (unless this has been
changed since Brown's book was published back in '76).  I
consider this one of its Neat Features.

Esperanto, by way of comparison,  is quite sexist: not only
does it have the pronouns for 'he' and 'she', but the word for
'father' is 'patro', and the word for 'mother' is DERIVED from
this by adding a 'feminine' suffix: 'patrino'.  The word for
'parent' is 'gepatro'; 'ge' is, in effect, a 'neutral' prefix.
One wonders if the more militant feminist Esperantists use the
word 'gepatrino' to emphasize the point?  I gather that some
people have tried to introduce a 'masculine' suffix to the
language, but without success.


		Mike "collector of useless languages" Urban
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