riddle@ut-sally.UUCP (Prentiss Riddle) (12/04/83)
The creation of net.nlang.celts raises some interesting questions.
One of them (which I won't pursue any further than simply to pose it)
is why it should be a subgroup of net.nlang. The other is simply:
why just Celts? Why not other ethnic/linguistic groups as well? I
mean no disrespect for our Celtic friends, but I suspect that there
are at least as many people on the net with an interest in/a knowledge
of Hispanic, German, French, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, African, ...
languages and/or cultures as Celtic ones.
I am not proposing any specific newsgroups. What I am doing is volun-
teering to count votes for other ethnic/linguistic newsgroups. In a
week or two I will tally the results and post them to net.news.group.
If there is sufficient interest (whatever that means -- did someone once
say that 20 "yes" votes were enough?) I trust that the Powerful Ones
who create newsgroups will do their stuff.
Please mail your nominations to ...ut-sally!riddle. Discussion of the
question of ethnic/linguistic newsgroups in general should be posted to
net.news.group.
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Prentiss Riddle
{ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!riddle
riddle@ut-sally.UUCPalb@alice.UUCP (12/04/83)
In the upcoming (15 Dec edition) of the newsgroup list, you will see that net.nlang is now for languages, cultures, etc., not just languages.
jmg@houxk.UUCP (12/06/83)
I, for one, would vote for any ethnic news group ut-sally!riddle proposes. The major factor that should determine whether such a group is established is the amount of interest that is shown among net subscribers which has been fairly good for net.celts. Another important factor is need. I know most people can identify the language being spoken when someone is speaking German, French, Italian, Spanish, Chinese or Russian, but this is not true of Celtic languages. I have played tapes of fluent native Celtic speakers and it seems that only those who have had some training in these languages can identify them as Celtic. Most people will guess that it is some Scandinavian language which is not related or Polish, Russian, Hebrew, Yiddish or whatever! When I studied German in high school and college very few if any schools offered Celtic language courses. German was always considered a difficult language by my schoolmates. I took to it quite well. However, I find that Celtic languages are much more difficult - a real challenge. Also when I studied history in high school and college there was very slight mention, if any, of Celtic history. I think this is very short sighted considering that at least 20% of all Americans have a Celtic background. In fact, if all Celts were counted as a single ethnic group in census figures rather than as national groups such as Scottish, Irish, Welsh, etc., they would be, by far, the most prolific ethnic group in the U.S. and probably also in Canada. Furthermore, anyone who ignores the culture that produced such men as Alexander Graham Bell (as in Bell Labs), Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, General Douglas MacArthur, General George S. Patton, "Diamond Jim" Brady and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (as in Sherlock Holmes) is just burying his head in the sand. How many people know that the inventor of the jet engine was a Scotsman or that the inventor of the modern submarine, John Phillip Holland, was an Irishman or that Marconi was half Irish? Here is some of the mail I received concerning net.celts. Please note that a good portion of it is from people with non-Celtic names. >From **RJE** Tue Nov 8 23:24 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Tue Nov 8 23:24 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Tue Nov 8 23:20 EST 1983 remote from ihnp4 >From nuucp Tue Nov 8 23:16 EST 1983 remote from clyde >From uucp Tue Nov 8 23:08 EST 1983 remote from akgua >From uumb2c Tue Nov 8 22:47:25 1983 remote from sb1 >From uucp Tue Nov 8 22:36 EST 1983 remote from mb2c >From mcg Tue Nov 8 10:51:21 1983 remote from aat Date: Tuesday, 8 Nov 83 10:39:48 EST From: aat!mcg To: mb2c!sb1!akgua!clyde!ihnp4!houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: Notes on Evacuation Day In-reply-to: Your news article <119@houxk.UUCP> of Mon, 7-Nov-83 18:47:40 EST ihnp4!clyde!akgua!sb1!mb2c!aat!mcg As an American of Irish-Scots descent, I too am keenly aware of the strong Celtic/Gaelic influence on the history of this country. The Irish and Scots have much to be proud of, and that not all lost in distant history. Perhaps we need net.celtic? Steven McGeady >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 19:11 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 19:11 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 19:10 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Tue Nov 15 19:03 EST 1983 remote from hogpc >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:35 EST 1983 remote from pegasus >From barry Tue Nov 15 16:28 EST 1983 remote from honet I think net.celts is a great idea. My wife and her family are Irish and we would be interested in ANYTHING that goes into this group. honet!barry houxm!hogpc!pegasus!honet!barry >From uucp Tue Nov 15 17:44 EST 1983 >From smb Tue Nov 15 17:41:46 1983 remote from ulysses Date: 15 Nov 83 17:41:46 EST (Tue) From: ulysses!smb (Steven Bellovin) Subject: Re: How about net.celts? Message-Id: <8311152241.AA00687@ulysses.UUCP> Received: by ulysses.UUCP (3.327/3.7) id AA00687; 15 Nov 83 17:41:46 EST (Tue) To: houxk!jmg Cc: cbosgd!mark References: <129@houxk.UUCP> ihnp4!ulysses!smb I realize that your proposed charter is somewhat broader, but how about making it net.nlang.celt? >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:32 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:32 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:31 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From lamb Tue Nov 15 16:30 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl To: houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: How about net.celts? References: <129@houxk.UUCP> Joe, an aye for net.celts. Slainte, John Lamb houxm!mhuxl!lamb >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:26 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:26 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:25 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Tue Nov 15 16:23 EST 1983 remote from hogpc >From kwmc Tue Nov 15 16:21 EST 1983 remote from hou5d To: hogpc!houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: How about net.celts? References: <129@houxk.UUCP> I would be interested in net.celts. I am a Scot working over here in Holmdel now. This is one vote for net.celts Ken Cochran hou5d!kwmc houxm!hogpc!hou5d!kwmc >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:02 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:02 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From **RJE** Tue Nov 15 16:01 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From rfg Tue Nov 15 16:00 EST 1983 remote from hound To: houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: How about net.celts? References: <129@houxk.UUCP> Right on! Another vote for net.celts! hound!rfg houxm!hound!rfg >From **RJE** Wed Nov 16 09:44 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Wed Nov 16 09:44 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From presley Wed Nov 16 09:42 EST 1983 remote from mhuxj Subject: net.celts Date: Wed, 16-Nov-83 09:41:19 EST Sent-By: mhuxj!presley (Joe Presley) To: houxk!jmg net.culture.[celts,semites,etc.]? mhuxj!presley >From **RJE** Wed Nov 16 17:21 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Wed Nov 16 17:21 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Wed Nov 16 17:20 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Wed Nov 16 13:19 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Wed Nov 16 11:08 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From gsw Wed Nov 16 08:50:24 1983 remote from hou5h To: eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: How about net.celts? References: <129@houxk.UUCP> The original language of the Scottish people is Gaelic. houxm!mhuxl!eagle!hou5h!gsw >From **RJE** Thu Nov 17 04:27 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Thu Nov 17 04:27 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Thu Nov 17 04:25 EST 1983 remote from ihnp4 >From nuucp Thu Nov 17 04:25 EST 1983 remote from clyde >From uucp Thu Nov 17 04:11 EST 1983 remote from akgua >From usenet Thu Nov 17 02:22:29 1983 remote from sb1 >From uucp Thu Nov 17 02:00 EST 1983 remote from mb2c >From mcg Wed Nov 16 23:20:34 1983 remote from aat Date: Wednesday, 16 Nov 83 23:18:22 EST From: aat!mcg To: mb2c!sb1!akgua!clyde!ihnp4!houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: How about net.celts? In-reply-to: Your news article <129@houxk.UUCP> of Tue, 15-Nov-83 15:00:53 EST I guess that I am the "someone" who suggested starting net.celtic. Hmmm - I'm normally against very special-interest newsgroups, but I suppose that I could always submit my favorite Gaelic song lyrics, or book reviews of Flann O'Brien's "The Poor Mouth" :-> S. McGeady Ann Arbor Terminals, Keeldrum Upper, Co. Donegal >From **RJE** Wed Nov 16 20:17 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Wed Nov 16 20:17 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Wed Nov 16 18:11 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Wed Nov 16 14:55 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Wed Nov 16 14:34 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From seismo!rlgvax!cvl!cas Wed Nov 16 14:30:30 1983 remote from harpo Date: 16 Nov 83 13:15:30 EST (Wed) From: seismo!rlgvax!cvl!cas Subject: Re: How about net.celts? Posted-Date: 16 Nov 83 13:15:30 EST (Wed) Message-Id: <8311161815.AA07473@SEISMO.ARPA> Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.342/3.21) id AA07473; 16 Nov 83 13:15:30 EST (Wed) To: rlgvax!seismo!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg In-Reply-To: jmg's message of Tue, 15-Nov-83 15:00:53 EST References: <129@houxk.UUCP> houxm!mhuxl!eagle!harpo!seismo!rlgvax!cvl!cas Yes, we should set up such a net. Cliff Shaffer seismo!rlgvax!cvl!cas >From **RJE** Thu Nov 17 16:58 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Thu Nov 17 16:58 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Thu Nov 17 16:10 EST 1983 remote from ihnp4 >From rcj Thu Nov 17 16:07:10 1983 remote from burl To: clyde!ihnp4!houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: How about net.celts? References: <129@houxk.UUCP> I for one would *LOVE* to learn more about Celts and discuss them and their culture. ihnp4!burl!rcj >From Nlogin Thu Nov 17 18:19 EST 1983 >From Nlogin Thu Nov 17 18:19 EST 1983 forwarded by Nlogin >From jws Thu Nov 17 18:19 EST 1983 remote from houxh I noticed that you are trying to start a net.celts. I would like to give you some information about a local activity. My wife runs two Irish Stepdancing schools for children in the area. They are in Freehold on Thursday nights and in Howell on Tuesday afternoons. For information call Rosemary Seery at 536-7064 She has a T.C.R.G. certificate from Ireland. If you run into someone that could use this information please pass it on. Jim Seery houxh!jws Ho 0045 houxh!jws >From **RJE** Fri Nov 18 10:53 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Fri Nov 18 10:53 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Fri Nov 18 10:50 EST 1983 remote from ihnp4 >From rcj Fri Nov 18 10:41:36 1983 remote from burl To: clyde!ihnp4!houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: How about net.celts? Joe, Two more votes yea for net.celts from people here on burl. There are a LOT of Celtic people in the mountains of North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia. Irish music (fiddles, in particular) is very popular in these areas, and Celtic heritage still runs quite strong back in the hills. Good luck on net.celts, The MAD Programmer -- 919-228-3814 (Cornet 291) alias: Curtis Jackson ...![ floyd clyde ihnp4 mhuxv ]!burl!rcj >From **RJE** Fri Nov 18 13:31 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Fri Nov 18 13:31 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Fri Nov 18 13:31 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Fri Nov 18 10:53 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Fri Nov 18 10:43 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From seismo!philabs!cmcl2!rocky2!cucard!cubsvax!wu1!rf Fri Nov 18 10:12:13 1983 remote from harpo Date: Fri Nov 18 02:19:00 1983 From: seismo!cmcl2!rocky2!cucard!cubsvax!wu1!rf Subject: Re: How about net.celts? Posted-Date: Fri Nov 18 02:19:00 1983 Message-Id: <8311181030.AA00719@SEISMO.ARPA> Received: by NYU.ARPA; Fri, 18 Nov 83 02:19:00 est Received: by SEISMO.ARPA (3.342/3.21) id AA00719; 18 Nov 83 05:30:23 EST (Fri) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 83 02:19:00 est To: cubsvax!cucard!rocky2!cmcl2!philabs!seismo!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg References: <129@houxk.UUCP> Net.celts (net.kelts?) is a delightful idea. Randolph Fritz houxm!mhuxl!eagle!harpo!seismo!philabs!cmc12!rocky2!cucard!cubsvax!wu1!rf >From **RJE** Sat Nov 19 22:57 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Sat Nov 19 22:57 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Sat Nov 19 22:50 EST 1983 remote from ihnp4 >From vincent Sat Nov 19 12:05:56 1983 remote from garfield To: ihnp4!houxk!jmg Subject: net.celt Cc: vincent Yes, I would like to see the formation of a group such as net.celt. I, for one, am very interested in celtic culture and languages and at the present I am taking Irish lessons. There is quite a large (for the population) Irish community here in St. John's, Newfoundland (Canada) and as Irish born from Irish parents I consider myself a member of that community. If you like, I can probably send something relating to the Irish in Newfoundland and there migration from Ireland ( They came mostly at a different time than everyone else). Vincent Gogan garfield!vincent ihnp4!garfield!vincent >From **RJE** Mon Nov 21 15:53 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Mon Nov 21 15:52 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Mon Nov 21 15:52 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Sat Nov 19 00:57 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Sat Nov 19 00:54 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From decvax!decwrl!flairvax!ellis Sat Nov 19 00:51:58 1983 remote from harpo Received: by decvax.UUCP (4.12/4.2) id AA25884; Fri, 18 Nov 83 20:39:52 est Date: 17 Nov 1983 1:46-PST From: decvax!decwrl!ellis@FLAIR-MAX Subject: net.celts Message-Id: <83/11/17 0146.316@FLAIR-MAX> Received: by DECWRL (3.327/4.09) 17 Nov 83 06:31:26 PST (Thu) To: decwrl!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg I'm interested. -michael houxm!mhuxl!eagle!harpo!decvax!decwrl!flairvax!ellis >From **RJE** Mon Nov 21 16:30 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Mon Nov 21 16:30 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Mon Nov 21 15:54 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Sun Nov 20 07:53 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Sun Nov 20 06:14 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!ubc-vision!mprvaxa!tbray Sun Nov 20 06:12:47 1983 remote from harpo Received: by decvax.UUCP (4.12/4.2) id AA24328; Sun, 20 Nov 83 03:35:22 est Message-Id: <8311200835.AA24328@decvax.UUCP> From: decvax!uw-beaver!ubc-vision!mprvaxa!tbray To: ubc-visi!uw-beaver!tektronix!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg Received: from uw-beaver.uucp by tektronix ; 19 Nov 83 23:00:08 PST Subject: Re: How about net.celts? References: <129@houxk.UUCP> Date: Sat Nov 19 01:10:29 1983 yes. houxm!mhuxl!eagle!harpo!decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!ubc-vision!mprvaxa!tbray >From uucp Mon Nov 28 00:16 EST 1983 >From uucp Sun Nov 27 22:57 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Sun Nov 27 22:12 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From ucbvax!UCBONYX:yee Thu Nov 24 03:47:16 1983 remote from decvax Received: by decvax.UUCP (4.12/4.2) id AA03556; Thu, 24 Nov 83 03:47:16 est From: decvax!ucbvax!UCBONYX:yee Received: by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.21/4.15) id AA25196; Wed, 23 Nov 83 12:09:20 pst Date: Wed, 23 Nov 83 12:10:28 pst Message-Id: <8311232009.AA25196@UCB-VAX.ARPA> To: ucbvax!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!jmg Subject: Celtic net group Go for it. I would love to see a celtic group. While my name belies it, I am partially of celtic origin. You have my support. Peter E. Yee mhuxl!eagle!decvax!ucbvax!UCBONYX:yee >From uucp Mon Nov 28 00:16 EST 1983 >From uucp Sun Nov 27 22:56 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Sun Nov 27 22:12 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From decwrl!amd70!opje Wed Nov 23 16:05:33 1983 remote from decvax Received: by decvax.UUCP (4.12/4.2) id AA17421; Wed, 23 Nov 83 15:06:18 est From: decvax!decwrl!amd70!opje Date: 22 Nov 83 23:32:12 PST (Tue) Subject: Re: How about net.celts? Message-Id: <8311230732.AA05651@DECWRL> Received: by DECWRL (3.327/4.09) 22 Nov 83 23:32:12 PST (Tue) To: decwrl!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg References: <129@houxk.UUCP> i agree with the idea of a newsgroup for exchange on the celtic culture. i am loosely affiliated with the s.c.a. and my 'persona' is partially of irish descent (900 ad or so). however, it is hard to find out about events outside of this organization. certainly, the newsgroup would be a good place for this. mhuxl!eagle!decvax!decwrl!amd70!opje laura glenn >From **RJE** Mon Nov 28 23:26 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Mon Nov 28 23:26 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Mon Nov 28 23:25 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Mon Nov 28 21:54 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Mon Nov 28 21:51 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From decvax!dartvax!dnc Sat Nov 26 02:11:10 1983 remote from harpo Received: by decvax.UUCP (4.12/4.2) id AA20111; Sat, 26 Nov 83 02:03:11 est Date: Sat, 26 Nov 83 02:03:11 est From: decvax!dartvax!dnc Message-Id: <8311260703.AA20111@decvax.UUCP> To: decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg Subject: Re: How about net.celts? References: <129@houxk.UUCP> Have you managed to get this off hte ground? I would be greatly interested as I am a fan of the music and language of the celtic peoples. please tell me how this idea has been going. dnc @ dc houxm!mhuxl!eagle!harpo!decvax!dartvax!dnc >From **RJE** Mon Nov 28 23:26 EST 1983 >From **RJE** Mon Nov 28 23:26 EST 1983 forwarded by **RJE** >From uucp Mon Nov 28 23:25 EST 1983 remote from houxm >From uucp Mon Nov 28 20:20 EST 1983 remote from mhuxl >From uucp Mon Nov 28 20:14 EST 1983 remote from eagle >From decvax!ucbvax!menlo70!sri-unix!hplabs!hpda!fortune!dsd!avsdS!burgess Thu Nov 24 21:43:40 1983 remote from harpo Received: by decvax.UUCP (4.12/4.2) id AA15503; Thu, 24 Nov 83 16:03:01 est Received: by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.21/4.15) id AA11782; Thu, 24 Nov 83 04:49:57 pst Date: 23 Nov 83 22:32:11 PST (Wed) From: decvax!ucbvax!hpda!fortune!dsd!avsdS!burgess Received: by HP-VENUS via UUCP; 24 Nov 1983 00:11:04-PST (Thu) Received: by fortune.UUCP; Wed, 23 Nov 83 22:28 PST To: dsd!fortune!hpda!hplabs!sri-unix!cca!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxk!jmg Via: uucp host hpda; 23 Nov 1983 22:32:11-??? (Wed) Message-Id: <438509465.5725.hplabs@HP-VENUS> sounds interesting I am looking forward to such a net.celts & would like to hear more about it ! houxm!mhuxl!eagle!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!menlo70!sri-unix!hplabs!hpda!fortune!dsd!avsdS!burgess