[net.nlang] Grammatical Rules--authority quoted!

jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA (John Purbrick) (02/12/85)

> We've had two versions of Churchill on prepositions ending sentences
> so far.  Neither one agrees exactly with the version* I'd heard of.
> There must be somebody reading this who has access to a reference
> that gives the correct and authoritative version.  Would they please
> find it and post it --- quickly, before we have half a dozen more
> postings on the topic?

I went and looked the quote up in the _Oxford Dictionary of Quotations_,
which said that, indeed, Churchill had been talking about prepositions at
the end of a sentence, and that what he said was:

"This is the sort of English up with which I shall not put."

Furthermore, they say "attributed to Churchill"! Can it be that the term
"dangling preposition" has such a delicious sound that some of us want
Churchill to have been talking about it? Or can the mighty ODQ be
[gasp!] wrong?
Two people sent me mail saying it was "ardent pedantry" up with which he
wouldn't put; another delicious term, but again, the sages of Oxford
disagree. I'm remaining neutral from here on. Anyway, I yanked my own
dogmatic posting after less than 24 hours. (But naturally everyone had to
see it anyway!) 

			John Purbrick
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