[net.nlang] Personal Defenses

garys@bunker.UUCP (Gary M. Samuelson) (05/03/85)

I deleted net.politics and net.legal from the newsgroup list,
and added net.nlang because I want to know if my analysis is
correct.

> > I think the point of whether it is good or not good to carry personal
> > defense weapons (unconcealed) is moot when compared with the fact that if I
> > WANT to and am not violating someone else's personal rights, I should be
> > able to. I think that says it all.	-- Jay Mitchell
> 
> Interesting that this statement can be parsed two ways:
> 
> ...I should be able to [carry personal defense weapons].
> 
> ...I should be able to [violate someone else's personal rights].
> 
> The first meaning was meant, of course, but it makes the second easier, too.
> 
> Merlyn Leroy
> "Eat photons, terran scum!"

I think there's a bug in Merlyn's parser.  How can "I should be able to"
refer to anything other than "to carry personal defense weapons"
(the only infinitive present) ?  There is also a syntactic problem --
the second part of the condition ("If I ... am not violating someone
else's personal rights") clearly precludes the possiblity that "I
should be able to" refers to violating someone else's personal rights.
"If I am not doing X, I should be able to do X" is nonsense, even
if that were a grammitically possible interpretation.

Any comments from linguists?

Gary Samuelson

mac@uvacs.UUCP (Alex Colvin) (05/06/85)

> I deleted net.politics and net.legal from the newsgroup list,
> and added net.nlang because I want to know if my analysis is
> correct.
  ...
> Any comments from linguists?

Delete net.nlang from the list too.

jc@mit-athena.UUCP (John Chambers) (05/09/85)

One comment:  'way back in 4th grade (or was it 3rd?),
I had teachers that tried to get people to make a
distinction between "can" and "may".  One linguistic
criticism of a statement like:

	Everyone should be able to <X>.

is that, while it may be disirable that everyone be
able to do <X>, it is nonsense to insist that a legal
or political system give such a right.  For example,
let <X> be "build a perpetual-motion machine" or
"empty Lake Superior with a teaspoon" or "see".

I'm sure we'd all agree that everyone who is born
has the right to good vision.  As for agreeing that
everyone should "be able to" carry a weapon; why sure;
I think it's downright shameful that there are people
without [the use of] arms.  I think that everyone should
have good, functional arms and hands; at least good 
enough to [be able to] carry weapons.  It's downright 
cruel of God to allow loss of limbs, not to mention 
the babies that are born without them.

Now as for whether people should be *ALLOWED* to carry
weapons in public, well that's another matter entirely.

-- 

			John Chambers [...!decvax!mit-athena]

He who has made no mistakes has probably made nothing at all.