normb@tekred.UUCP (Norm Babcock ) (10/10/84)
I used a real nice Tuesday as an excuse to go flying,and do what several people on the net suggested (thanks for the input), which was to try power-off turns, and note the altitude loss. The a/c was a C-152, in fair shape; the load was myself and a CFI. The reason I took the CFI along was to record data, and partly because of his response when I posed the question of turning back to the field upon loss of power during take-off. The first thing I did was to set up a glide at 5,500 (2500 agl), and jockey around with the airspeed. I was amused and amazed that the Cessna recommended speed of 60k produced the minimum sink rate, which ranged from 400fpm to 600fpm, with a strong average of 500. (Anyone know why the variation? Cool day with light cloud and early evening, thermals should have been in bed.) I tried and timed turns, with the CFI noting altitude loss. The best technique seemed to be to roll briskly into a 45 bank, drop the nose a little, and haul it around. The average altitude loss was about 200 feet to do a 180, and closer to 300 to do a teardrop. I found that by making a 180, and then dog-legging back to centerline produced the best results. It also became apparent that if you can count on 500fpm climbout and 500fpm glide, you'll be able to make it back to the liftoff position on the runway, barring wind. Surprisingly, a stiff wind straight down the runway can help: for a given altitude you're not as far from the end of the runway (lower ground speed), after the turn, you'll cover more ground downwind due to higher groundspeed. In summary, it seems that if you know your plane, and the associated parameters, turning back is an option, above a certain agl after t.o. Any lower,straight ahead, any further, whereever you can. But there is a window where turning back makes sense. I'd expect that the window would get smaller quicker as the gross weight goes up. Anyone with a 182/185 willing to experiment? Incidentally, the CFI was opposed to anything but straight ahead, but after messing around changed his mind. He did state that while he would adopt turning back as a personal option, he still would recommend to students that they go straight. Liability issue? Norm