markmo@tekig.UUCP (Mark Morland) (06/06/85)
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Effective June 7, 1985, the FAR's have changed to allow an instrument
rating to be achieved with 125 hours of total time (it was 200 hours).
The stated reason for the change is to encourage private pilots to
pursue instrument training early in their careers as "continued VFR
flight into IFR conditions" is a major cause of accidents.
Please help me complete (and correct) the IFR requirement list:
(I don't have the FAR's at my terminal :-)
50 hours of instrument operation (of which 20 may be on a simulator)
X number of approaches by XYZ navaids.
the written, of course.
How much time must be dual with an instructor, verses using another
private pilot for a safety pilot on hooded cross countries?
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I've been flying 8-10 hours per month, and can expect to reach 125
total this summer. I feel that I do best if am actively pursuing a
rating, or otherwise working hard on skills like precision landings,
aerobatics (soon, I hope), or flying blind - I mean flying a T-craft :-).
My IFR training options are:
To join a local Pilot Proficiency Center - which has an ATC 810 simulator
and King VCR courses available in the membership fee of $99 for 3 months.
They have an IFR 152 for $28/hr., and charge $20/hr. for in-plane or
simulator instruction.
To return to the school I used for my private, where they have an IFR
172 for $33/hr. (or $290 for 10 hours), and instruction costs $15/hr.
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I'm interested in pro and con discussions regarding the rules change,
and my choice to go for it (at the 90 hour point).
P.S. How long should it take the FAA to send me my Private? (8 weeks
and counting)
Tx in advance,
Mark Morland
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There is a lot of confusion about how much dual is needed for the
instrument rating, and whether time with a safty pilot can be included.
I've had several instructors (plus second-hand info from someone at the
GADO) tell me that all 40 hours must be dual with an instructor. But I
believe the correct interpretation (based on what I was personally told
by GADO, and based on my own repeated reading of that section in the FARs)
is that only 15 of the 40 hours must be dual with a CFII, and 25 can be
with a safty pilot. The additional stuff about 20 hours with an instructor
refers only to time in a simulator (and all of any simulator time must
be with an instructor).
Mike Fontenot
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> () > Effective June 7, 1985, the FAR's have changed to allow an instrument > rating to be achieved with 125 hours of total time (it was 200 hours). > flight into IFR conditions" is a major cause of accidents. > > To join a local Pilot Proficiency Center - which has an ATC 810 simulator > and King VCR courses available in the membership fee of $99 for 3 months. > They have an IFR 152 for $28/hr., and charge $20/hr. for in-plane or > simulator instruction. > > To return to the school I used for my private, where they have an IFR > 172 for $33/hr. (or $290 for 10 hours), and instruction costs $15/hr. > > P.S. How long should it take the FAA to send me my Private? (8 weeks > and counting) > Let's take the questions one-at-a-time. I have not heard "officially" that the 200 hour requirement has been reduced to 125.....I really hope your information is correct. Where did you get that info, our FISDO is not aware of any change. Until we see the actual FAR I won't comment on the time requirements for the training or pilot experience, since it may be different from the current requirements. It will take about 120 days to get your "permanent" license. Now for the meat of the question .... where to pursue the training! You can dump a lot of money down the old rat hole unless you find a really competant CFII who knows how to use a simulator. The Faa tells us that the instrument rating averages 70 to 80 hours of flight training. There is no valid reason for it taking so long. MOST pilots should be able to master the curriculum in 25 hours of simulator and 25 hours in the plane. Forget about using a safety pilot, it is a rare situation where you will need "just practice". If you are really serious go with PIC, you have undoubtibly seen their ads in any aviation magazine (How I got my IFR in 10 days). Finally, get a copy of the June issue of Plane & Pilot magazine, there is an "outstanding" article by a superb writer on the "pros" of using a simulator in IFR training (any similarity between that writer and me is purely coincidental). I have trained 14 IFR students in the past 5 years ( mostly in the C-172) and none have have ever paid more than $2400 for the entire course (including the plane!) The IFR rating is the most useful, challenging and rewarding of them all, good luck, and please let me and the net know what you decided and why.... then keep us appraised on your progress. Ted Spitzmiller CFII