dgb@mgwess.UUCP (Donald Beahm) (05/28/85)
The following article from "Illinois Avaition" is one persons idea of poetic justice from the Aviation Community: MAN BITES DOG In a reversal of roles most airports are unaccustomed to, a Torrance, California attorney has recently filed suit to raze homes in a 5 mile radius of the airport because they are ruining his free access to the airport. Since his letter to 20,000 residents states the situation so eloquently it is printed in full. "I deeply regret the need for trying to take away your home. However, you must realize that I have as much money invested in my airplane as you have invested in your home and that my airplane is just as important to me as your home is to you. My airplane is of no use to me without an airport to land". "Therefore, since your elected officials are trying to take my airplane away from me so you can enjoy your home, I have no choice but to try to take your home away from you so I can enjoy my airplane. I assure you we have advised each City Council member that you were going to be sued, and they told us they that they really didn't care". Needless to say, the Torrance City Council has received a few telephone calls. Quoted from: "ILLINOIS AVIATION" Vol. 37, No. 3, May/June, 1985
rlr@avsdS.UUCP (Rhode L. Roberts) (06/03/85)
> In a reversal of roles most airports are unaccustomed to, > a Torrance, California attorney has recently filed suit to raze > homes in a 5 mile radius of the airport because they are ruining > his free access to the airport. > > My airplane is of no use to me without an airport to land". > > Quoted from: "ILLINOIS AVIATION" Vol. 37, No. 3, May/June, 1985 *** RELAND THIS PLANE WITH YOUR MISSED APPROACH *** What a great and novel idea, that really made my day!! I wish I had a five dollar bill for every time I have wanted to go on a cross country some where, and remembering from an *old chart* that an airport was at the town I wanted to go to. Then, looking at current chart to figure my flight plan, I find that the airport is no longer in exsistance. I have often wondered what I will do with my plane when and if the powers that be decide that my home base needs to be closed for a super market. Now I know what lead to follow. Thanks for posting that article. Rhode Roberts Ampex Corp. Redwood City, Ca.
medin@noscvax.UUCP (Ted Medin) (06/11/85)
>> In a reversal of roles most airports are unaccustomed to, >> a Torrance, California attorney has recently filed suit to raze >> homes in a 5 mile radius of the airport because they are ruining >> his free access to the airport. >> >> My airplane is of no use to me without an airport to land". >> >> Quoted from: "ILLINOIS AVIATION" Vol. 37, No. 3, May/June, 1985 And while were on this how about curfews. I would like to leave early (0500) and the airport is closed til 0630 or come in late at nite and another closed airport. Sigh! We do need quieter birds but this is too much.
ems@amdahl.UUCP (ems) (06/17/85)
> >> In a reversal of roles most airports are unaccustomed to, > >> a Torrance, California attorney has recently filed suit to raze > >> homes in a 5 mile radius of the airport because they are ruining > >> his free access to the airport. > >> > >> My airplane is of no use to me without an airport to land". > >> > >> Quoted from: "ILLINOIS AVIATION" Vol. 37, No. 3, May/June, 1985 > > And while were on this how about curfews. I would like to leave > early (0500) and the airport is closed til 0630 or come in late at > nite and another closed airport. Sigh! We do need quieter birds > but this is too much. I know, I know, this is like wearing a white sheet to an NAACP rally or advocating abortion at a Right-to-life meeting; but I just have to do it ... (Who ME? Masochistic?) My house does not make noise. Airplanes do. Make the airplanes quiet and the problem will go away. NASA has some VERY quiet craft used to demonstrait that it can be done. I *LOVE AND ADORE* aircraft. I also live under the approach to San Jose. The vast majority of light aircraft are no problem at all. Every now and then, though, along comes some bozo making what sounds like 120db in my back yard. Mind you, I'm several miles from the airport. About where the big jets turn final. Put a muffler on the one or two flying chain saw factories and most of the problem with light aircraft will be solved. My real gripe? The commercial aircraft comming in low and slow on very extended final, Straight in from L.A. with no turns. Maybe it's the fact that I have flown more in sailplanes than private power, but it looks to me like they couldn't make the field in a power off landing if they had to. Why not get them buzzards up a bit higher and glide in with minimum power and noise? The other gripe? I don't want to be awakened *EVERY DAY* at 5:00 and go to bed *EVERY NIGHT* at midnight. Five hours a night won't make it. Either zone the areas in the flight path industrial, or keep the aircraft quiet and the airports closed during normal sleeping hours. There needs to be a reasonable solution to the land/air use questions presented by aviation noise. (And it's not just a matter of who got there first, jets weren't arround when many of these airports were first built - the noise problem came *AFTER* the housing had been in existance for some time.) Perhaps it lies in restricting the allowed noise level for aircraft operating from sensitive fields, perhaps in re-zoning to industrial and buying out the housing for industrial parks (maybe building low cost, quiet, general avaition craft??!! - hope springs eternal... maybe someday I can afford one), or maybe in something as simple as changing flight practices for a less noisy approach/departure. As much as it makes people feel good, filing legal action (by either side) will not solve the problem, just move it to another field. -- E. Michael Smith ...!{hplabs,ihnp4,amd,nsc}!amdahl!ems This is the obligatory disclaimer of everything. (Including but not limited to: typos, spelling, diction, logic, and nuclear war)
timothym@tekigm.UUCP (Timothy D Margeson) (06/19/85)
Most people who live by airports chose to buy their house, knowing full well an airport was nearby. Did these same people not realize noise and airports go hand in hand? Or did they just assume that at some latter date they could appeal to the courts and have the airport removed? Albeit, a few of those having to deal with airplane noise were there first, but those are the exception rather than the rule. Let those who knowingly buy houses near airports suffer the consequences of their bad decision, not those who have been using the site for many years. Timothy Margeson (Pilot at large) tektronix!tekigm!timothym PO Box 3500 d/s C1-465 Vancouver, WA. 98668
doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) (06/20/85)
One of the problems with trying to solve the "airport noise" problem is that it isn't just one problem. For some people, it's the jet airliners that drive 'em nuts, for others it's turboprops, and for others it's light planes. Further compounding the mess is that a number of people who complain about the noise aren't really bothered by the noise itself (no matter what they claim). For those people, the noise is simply a reminder that other people *are* flying. Some of those folks are afraid that the planes will fall on them. We know that this fear is irrational (you won't hear the one that falls on you :-) but that doesn't help much. A surprisingly large number of people simply resent (on a Puritan basis) other people enjoying themselves in public. Airplanes are just one target of this resentment. They also object to dirt bikes, cars "leaving patches", ghetto blasters, public drunkenness, and loud talking/laughter in restaurants and other public places. (Did you see a bit of yourself in that list? I admit that I resent some of those things myself). -- Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{ihnp4,seismo,decvax}!noao!terak!doug ^^^^^--- soon to be CalComp
ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (06/21/85)
> Most people who live by airports chose to buy their house, knowing full well > an airport was nearby. Did these same people not realize noise and airports > go hand in hand? Or did they just assume that at some latter date they could > appeal to the courts and have the airport removed? > This is similar to the city folk who moved out to farm country so they could "live in the country" and then find out that farm country as an amazing variety of aromas. One group was trying to get an injunction on one farmer to keep his smells to himself. -Ron