brent@phoenix.UUCP (Brent P. Callaghan) (06/19/85)
I have a question for any air traffic controller types
out there in netland.
If I'm flying around under a TCA floor with my transponder set
to 1200 and no mode charlie - how does the controller know
whether I'm below the TCA floor ?
There's no requirement for radio contact and I'm sure the
controller doesn't want to hear from me anyway if he's
stacked up.
If we ARE relying on the controller's good faith - then isn't
there the chance some day that somebody gets it wrong and flies
into the approach of a "heavy" without any warning from the
controller ?
--
Made in New Zealand --> Brent Callaghan
AT&T Information Systems, Lincroft, NJ
{ihnp4|mtuxo|pegasus}!phoenix!brent
(201) 576-3475notes@harpo.UUCP (06/20/85)
Even if you have a mode C and are not in radio contact, the controller responds to other traffic saying traffic at 5000 unverified. Irv McNair ATT Bell Labs Whippany
don@petsd.UUCP (Don Hopkins) (06/20/85)
> If I'm flying around under a TCA floor with my transponder set > to 1200 and no mode charlie - how does the controller know > whether I'm below the TCA floor ? > There's no requirement for radio contact and I'm sure the > controller doesn't want to hear from me anyway if he's > stacked up. > > If we ARE relying on the controller's good faith - then isn't > there the chance some day that somebody gets it wrong and flies > into the approach of a "heavy" without any warning from the > controller ? The purpose of VFR corridors under the TCA are to allow you to pass through the area without having to contact a controller. This is a convenience for both you and the controller, as he is probably to busy to talk to you, and you don't want to wait until he has time to help you anyway. I assume that you are flying in VFR conditions under the TCA, in which case you you should be relying on YOUR good faith and judgement to keep yourself out of the TCA. Don Hopkins Perkin-Elmer Tinton Falls, New Jersey 201-758-7268 {decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!vax135!petsd!don
ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (06/21/85)
> If we ARE relying on the controller's good faith - then isn't > there the chance some day that somebody gets it wrong and flies > into the approach of a "heavy" without any warning from the > controller ? The Heavy should not be approaching in the area underlying the TCA. One, to avoid traffic not under the control of ATC (it usually is "controlled airspace" in the FAA terms though) and two, because that's usually closer to the ground farther from the airport than those birds want to fly anyhow. -Ron
rb@mtuxn.UUCP (R.BOTWIN) (06/25/85)
My last few fun flights for new passengers has been under the NY TCA
up the Hudson at about 900-1000 feet. I monitor NY center just in case,
and have heard myself described as traffic to others within the TCA, while
not contacting the controllers themselves.
By the way, there is a proposal by the FAA to REQUIRE all transponder equipped
planes to have them on at all times, not just when under ATC! This was metioned
in the last AOPA magazine, and is being fought but may well become regs.
Rob Botwin, N2FC
.....{utah-cs|seismo|decvax}!harpo!eagle!hogpc!mtuxn!rb
ATT/IS Labs (201) 577-5016 (Cornet 8-270-5016)
FJ 1B-130ark@alice.UUCP (Andrew Koenig) (06/26/85)
> My last few fun flights for new passengers has been under the NY TCA > up the Hudson at about 900-1000 feet. I monitor NY center just in case, > and have heard myself described as traffic to others within the TCA, while > not contacting the controllers themselves. Don't monitor center, monitor approach. And it IS possible to get TCA clearances for sightseeing. Don't you think you'd be more comfortable at 2500 feet over the Hudson than at 900 feet?
doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) (06/27/85)
> By the way, there is a proposal by the FAA to REQUIRE all transponder equipped > planes to have them on at all times, not just when under ATC! This was metioned > in the last AOPA magazine, and is being fought but may well become regs. I missed this one -- was it in AOPA Pilot or in the Newsletter? Would this regulation likely be any more effective than the SCATANA regs which require that you constantly monitor an FAA voice frequency if your plane is radio-equipped? I wonder what would happen in the L.A. basin, where the FAA is pleading for pilots who are operating in airport traffic patterns to "squawk standby" because there are too many interrogators and too many transponders and the replies are interfering with each other. -- Doug Pardee -- Terak Corp. -- !{ihnp4,seismo,decvax}!noao!terak!doug ^^^^^--- soon to be CalComp