marcum@sun.uucp (Alan Marcum) (12/11/85)
From the January _Flying_, in Dick Collins's column:
Heard over the Washington Center frequency, 125.45, on
11 September:
- "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting
lower."
- "Air Force One, stand by."
three minutes elapse
- "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting
lower."
- "Unable."
Though you might find it amusing....
--
Alan M. Marcum Sun Microsystems, Technical Consulting
...!{dual,ihnp4}!sun!nescorna!marcum Mountain View, Californiajlg@lanl.ARPA (12/13/85)
In article <3074@sun.uucp> marcum@sun.uucp (Alan Marcum) writes: > - "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting > lower." > - "Air Force One, stand by." > three minutes elapse > - "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting > lower." > - "Unable." I thought Air Force One used a different call sign when the president was aboard. Some PBS program had a sequence on Air Force One a little while back (maybe Smithsonian World) and I'm sure it said that Air Force One went under a different name depending upon whether the president was aboard. When the president is not aboard, it still does a lot of flying but gets no special treatment from controllers. J. Giles Los Alamos
john@gcc-milo.ARPA (John Allred) (12/13/85)
In article <34678@lanl.ARPA> jlg@a.UUCP (Jim Giles) writes: > >I thought Air Force One used a different call sign when the president was >aboard. Some PBS program had a sequence on Air Force One a little while >back (maybe Smithsonian World) and I'm sure it said that Air Force One went >under a different name depending upon whether the president was aboard. >When the president is not aboard, it still does a lot of flying but gets no >special treatment from controllers. > >J. Giles >Los Alamos I remember (rather fuzzily, I admit) that Air Force One goes by N26000 when it is not carrying the president. -- John Allred General Computer Company uucp: seismo!harvard!gcc-milo!john
ths@lanl.ARPA (12/13/85)
> I thought Air Force One used a different call sign when the president was > aboard. Some PBS program had a sequence on Air Force One a little while > back (maybe Smithsonian World) and I'm sure it said that Air Force One went > under a different name depending upon whether the president was aboard. > When the president is not aboard, it still does a lot of flying but gets no > special treatment from controllers. As I recall from the Smithsonian program, the situation involving the resignation of President Nixon created an interesting exchange with ATC. Nixon left Washington aboard "Air Force One". As they were enroute at the appointed hour (12:00 Noon I think), the resignation became effective and Air Force One advised Kansas City or Dallas Center of the change in call sign to it's tail number. I taped the program.....now if I can only find it in my "unlabled library". Ted Spitzmiller
c55-hc@ucbbuddy.BERKELEY.EDU (Brent Chapman) (12/13/85)
In article <34678@lanl.ARPA> jlg@a.UUCP (Jim Giles) writes: >I thought Air Force One used a different call sign when the president was >aboard. Some PBS program had a sequence on Air Force One a little while >back (maybe Smithsonian World) and I'm sure it said that Air Force One went >under a different name depending upon whether the president was aboard. >When the president is not aboard, it still does a lot of flying but gets no >special treatment from controllers. Seems that I remember reading that Air Force One is NOT a specific plane, but that call sign is given to any aircraft that the President is in. An ultra-light, therefore, could technically be "Air Force One". I'm not sure whether or not a helicopter carrying him is designated AF1 or not. Seems probable, as the helicopters, while having Marine Corps guards and "cabin crew", are owned and flown by the Air Force. Brent Chapman ucbvax!ucbugs!chapman NOTE: The account this is coming from will die VERY soon, so, if you want to send mail, please send it to ucbvax!ucbugs!chapman.
cfiaime@ihnp3.UUCP (J. Williams) (12/14/85)
In article <11224@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> c55-hc@ucbbuddy.UUCP (Brent Chapman) writes: >In article <34678@lanl.ARPA> jlg@a.UUCP (Jim Giles) writes: >>I thought Air Force One used a different call sign when the president was >>aboard. > >Seems that I remember reading that Air Force One is NOT a specific plane, >but that call sign is given to any aircraft that the President is in. The airplanes that people think of as "Air Force One" are known as SAM 26000 and SAM 27000 when the President is not on board. These are two 707-321 airplanes (VC-137), somewhat modified, assigned to the 89th Special Airlift Wing at Andrews AFB, Washington, DC. An interesting book on the subject of Presidential aircraft is "Flying Whitehouse" by Col. Ralph Albertazzi, Nixon's pilot. "Air Force One" is the callsign for any airplane in the Air Force inventory that the President is on. "Army One" and "Marine One" are used when the President is in a helicopter flown by one of those services. I assume that "Navy One" would be used where the President to fly in a Navy controlled flying machine. By the way, "Air Force Two" is the callsign for the airplane used by the Vice-President. Typically, this airplane is a VC-9, a modified C-9, which is nothing more than a DC-9-30 in war paint. Past Presidential airplanes (with some exceptions) are on display at the Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. Roosevelt's "Sacred Cow" is in awaiting restoration at the Museum. Truman's "Independence" and Eisenhower's "Columbine III" are on display in the Museum Annex. "Columbine II" was distroyed at Davis-Monthan in the early 1960's. An early VC-135 (modified 707) that was used by the Presidents is still in service with the Air Force. jeff williams AT&T Bell Laboratories ihnp3!cfiaime
john@gcc-milo.ARPA (John Allred) (12/14/85)
In article <11224@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> c55-hc@ucbbuddy.UUCP (Brent Chapman) writes: >Seems probable, as the helicopters, while having Marine Corps guards >and "cabin crew", are owned and flown by the Air Force. > >Brent Chapman Nope, the helicopter is flown by marines, and is known as "Marine One". -- John Allred General Computer Company uucp: seismo!harvard!gcc-milo!john
hsu@eneevax.UUCP (Dave Hsu) (12/15/85)
In article <11224@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> c55-hc@ucbbuddy.UUCP (Brent Chapman) writes: [] >Seems that I remember reading that Air Force One is NOT a specific plane, >but that call sign is given to any aircraft that the President is in. An >ultra-light, therefore, could technically be "Air Force One". I'm not >sure whether or not a helicopter carrying him is designated AF1 or not. >Seems probable, as the helicopters, while having Marine Corps guards >and "cabin crew", are owned and flown by the Air Force. > >Brent Chapman The presidential helicopter is most commonly referred to as "Marine One". -dave -- David Hsu Communication & Signal Processing Lab, EE Department University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 hsu@eneevax.umd.edu {seismo,allegra}!umcp-cs!eneevax!hsu CF522@UMDD.BITNET
wcb@mgwess.UUCP (Bill Bruce) (12/17/85)
When the president is aboard any military A/C the correct callsign for that aircraft is (service)1. There for if it is an Army bird the correct callsign is ARMY 1. Like wise when the VP flies his callsign is (service)2. If the first lady is flying without the president than the correct callsign becomes (service)1A. The Marine Corps Helos the president flies to and from the white house belong to and are crewed by Marine Corps Aviators their callsign is MARINE 1. Bill Bruce CW4 U.S. Army Reserve Comm SMEL Airplane/Helicopter Instrument Airplane/helicopter CFI Airplane AT&T-IS CGBS Montgomery Works ..ihnp4!mgwess!wcb
doug@terak.UUCP (Doug Pardee) (12/18/85)
What I'm not sure I believe about > From the January _Flying_, in Dick Collins's column: > > Heard over the Washington Center frequency, 125.45, on > 11 September: > > - "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting > lower." ... is: what is Air Force 1 doing on VHF? -- Doug Pardee -- CalComp -- {hardy,savax,seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!terak!doug
harlan@ZIGGY.UUCP (Harlan Olson) (12/20/85)
> In article <3074@sun.uucp> marcum@sun.uucp (Alan Marcum) writes: > > - "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting > > lower." > > - "Air Force One, stand by." > > three minutes elapse > > - "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting > > lower." > > - "Unable." > > I thought Air Force One used a different call sign when the president was > aboard. Some PBS program had a sequence on Air Force One a little while > back (maybe Smithsonian World) and I'm sure it said that Air Force One went > under a different name depending upon whether the president was aboard. > When the president is not aboard, it still does a lot of flying but gets no > special treatment from controllers. > > J. Giles > Los Alamos Whenever the president is aboard aircraft it takes the designation as "one". For example, Air Force One, Navy One, Marine One, Army One etc. If the vice president is flying the designation becomes "Two", i.e. Air Force Two. If the president is not on board but the family is the callsign becomes Air Force One Foxtrot (AF1F). When the aircraft assigned to the president are flying with out the president or the vice president aboard they go by the tail number. These numbers are in the Special Air Missions number group (SAM). For example, S26000 is the aircraft the president generally flys. Harlan Olson ex-controller Air Force One Foxtrot (AF1F). When the plane/s
ron@brl-sem.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (12/21/85)
> > Seems that I remember reading that Air Force One is NOT a specific plane, > but that call sign is given to any aircraft that the President is in. An > ultra-light, therefore, could technically be "Air Force One". I'm not > sure whether or not a helicopter carrying him is designated AF1 or not. > Seems probable, as the helicopters, while having Marine Corps guards > and "cabin crew", are owned and flown by the Air Force. > The Helicopter used to ferry the president to Andrews AFB is Marine One. The radio designator for the 707's when not carrying the president is either SE-26000 or 27000 (I'm not sure of the letter prefix). -Ron
larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) (12/22/85)
> What I'm not sure I believe about > > From the January _Flying_, in Dick Collins's column: > > Heard over the Washington Center frequency, 125.45, on > > 11 September: > > - "Washington Center, Air Force One, requesting > > lower." ... > is: what is Air Force 1 doing on VHF? Why not? Washington Center is an FAA *civilian* air traffic control operation. While Washington Center no doubt monitors 243.0 and has other UHF capability, it is common for military *transport* craft - which have the same speed and altitude range of civilian craft - to use VHF so that other civilian aircraft can know what's going on in their airspace. === Larry Lippman @ Recognition Research Corp., Clarence, New York === === UUCP {decvax,dual,rocksanne,rocksvax,watmath}!sunybcs!kitty!larry === === VOICE 716/741-9185 {rice,shell}!baylor!/ === === FAX 716/741-9635 {G1, G2, G3} ihnp4!/ === === === === "Have you hugged your cat today?" ===
bretschneide@cache.DEC (Crazy Hawaiian DTN 237-3347) (12/23/85)
With respect to: > What I'm not sure I believe about ... is: > What is Air Force 1 doing on VHF? It seems that at least some military aircraft transmit on both UHF and VHF simultaneously. I know this is true at Westover AFB. It would be reasonable for Air Force 1 to do this since it readily mixes with civilian aircraft. Bruce Bretschneider Thin Film Heads Engineering (DEC E-NET) CACHE::BRETSCHNEIDE (UUCP) {decvax,ucbvax,allegra}!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-cache!bretscheide (ARPA) bretschneide%cache.DEC@decwrl.ARPA
cfiaime@ihnp3.UUCP (J. Williams) (12/26/85)
In article <656@kitty.UUCP> larry@kitty.UUCP (Larry Lippman) writes: >> what is Air Force 1 doing on VHF? > > Why not? Washington Center is an FAA *civilian* air traffic control >operation. While Washington Center no doubt monitors 243.0 and has other UHF >capability, it is common for military *transport* craft - which have the same >speed and altitude range of civilian craft - to use VHF so that other civilian >aircraft can know what's going on in their airspace. About the only military aircraft without VHF capability seems to be Air Force and Navy fighters. VHF is considered mission essential in most other aircraft. I have worked joint missions with Air Force helicopters where messages were passed on 122.9 and 123.45. Additionally, while at Pax River with the Starhawk, we heard P-3's, C-130's, and S-3's on VHF. At Fr. Rucker, Alabama, most of the general purpose aircraft had VHF capability. All of the FAA installations have UHF capability, simply because the FAA "owns" the airspace over the United States. There are sections of the airspace that are special use, but the FAA has the right to use this airspace if it needs to. There are military liason officers assigned to each Air Route Traffic Control Center, and to many approach control facilities. Military flight plans are filed through the FAA just like civilian flight plans. Only the military flight plan form requires a bit more data, such as a passenger manifest. (It is always alot of fun to fly out of a military field, simply because of the way base operations treats flight crew. The paperwork forces you to really plan your flight, the way we should do anyway.) As an aside, if you ever have a chance to visit an ARTCC or tower, do so. You will be pleasently suprised at the professionalism of the controllers. jeff williams AT&T Bell Laboratories ihnp3!cfiaime