mmm@weitek.UUCP (Mark Thorson) (01/01/86)
I've been told that jet fighter planes have ashtrays. Can anyone confirm this? How about other military aircraft, like the SR-71? I assume all spacecraft are non-smoking; please advise me if I'm incorrect. Thanks in advance, Mark Thorson (...!cae780!weitek!mmm)
mmm@weitek.UUCP (Mark Thorson) (01/06/86)
<I am re-posting this because I think the original was lost when our main network feed had a bunch of downtime.> I have been told jet fighter planes have ashtrays. Can anyone confirm this? I assume all spacecraft are non-smoking; please advise me if I am wrong. Mark Thorson (...!cae780!weitek!mmm)
ron@hpfcla.UUCP (01/06/86)
More on ashtrays in fighters
My father is an ex-Naval Aviator and I recall that in the early
sixties he investigated a few accidents. One of the ones I recall
was that the pilot had been smoking in his oxygen mask with
certain fatal results.
You can tell all of the people all of the truth but they still won't
all believe that the stove is hot until they burn themselves.
Ron Miller
{ihnp4}hpfcla!ronron@r2d2.UUCP (Ron Schweikert) (01/06/86)
> I've been told that jet fighter planes have ashtrays. Can anyone confirm this? > How about other military aircraft, like the SR-71? I assume all spacecraft are > non-smoking; please advise me if I'm incorrect. > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark Thorson (...!cae780!weitek!mmm) I worked as a crew chief on the SR-71 at Beale AFB in California from Feb of 1975 to Sept of 1980. The crew wears a modified Gemini space suit. Smoking is not possible. Working line maint for other types of fighter aircraft on weekends also, never seen an ashtray there either. With all the liquid and gaseous oxygen in the area, if ANYONE lit up ANYWHERE in the area, we'd all run... Ron Schweikert -- ...{allegra|hao|ucbvax}nbires!r2d2!ron (USENET)
kerry@ctvax (01/08/86)
Yes, it is true. Some fighters do have ashtrays, usually located just behind the pilot's right elbow on the side of the console. I flew missions on a KC-135 (similar to a 707), where ashtrays were coke cans with one end opened, hanging from wire attached to the inside of the aircraft. These ash cans were located every 4 feet or so. I was a radical non-smoker and only a junior officer, so I suffered from cigarette smoke occasionally. Every time I thought about those cans, and the lighted butts, I became just a little uncomfortable. You see, if you don't already know, a KC-135 is used to refuel other aircraft in flight and carries ~30,000 gallons of JP-4 jet fuel housed in special compartments below the cargo area (where the ash cans are). Not only do jet pilots smoke in flight, while at Undergraduate Pilot Training, I heard of a young T-38 (a T-38 is a high-performance jet trainer) pilot who crashed mysteriously at the approach end of the runway. On probing the wreckage, they found a Kentucky Fried Chicken box and later discovered that chicken bones had lodged in the pilot's throat, causing him to choke and lose control of the aircraft. ctvax!kerry
brad@gcc-milo.ARPA (Brad Parker) (01/08/86)
In article <359@weitek.UUCP> mmm@weitek.UUCP (Mark Thorson) writes: >I've been told that jet fighter planes have ashtrays. Can anyone confirm this? My father used to fly A4-D (model 1!) Shyhawks and told me that they used to smoke when stacked up and waiting to land. That was just last week (I had just done a X/C over the Hawaiian Islands and we were celebrating while on vacation). I had remarked that the C-152 I was flying had asktrays. -- J Bradford Parker seismo!harvard!gcc-milo!brad
ron@hpuslma.UUCP (01/10/86)
non-smoking; please advise me if I'm incorrect. Thanks in advance, Mark Thorson (...!cae780!weitek!mmm) /* ---------- */
brent@poseidon.UUCP (Brent P. Callaghan) (01/13/86)
Pre-aerobatics check: ashtrays empty!
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