arms-d@ucbvax.ARPA (11/06/84)
From: Moderator <ARMS-D@MIT-MC.ARPA> Arms-Discussion Digest Volume 2 : Issue 70 Today's Topics: Impact of Nuclear Winter (2 msgs) Importance of Nuclear Freeze software development effort for the SDI -- draft paper ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ihnp4!utzoo!henry@Berkeley Date: 4 Nov 84 00:50:15 CST (Sun) To: arms-d@mit-mc.ARPA Subject: Nuclear Winter does not make nuclear war obsolete, alas People proclaiming that the Nuclear Winter makes nuclear war totally unviable as an instrument of policy are missing an important point. The nuclear winter is not an inherent result of the use of nuclear weapons. It is the result of the use of such weapons in situations where they cause massive fires. (The meteorologists I know class the airborne-dust component of the nuclear-winter scenario as ridiculous, totally incompatible with observations of the global effects of large volcanic eruptions. The significant contribution of the nuclear-winter people was the observation of the significance of airborne soot, something that nobody had examined properly.) It is quite possible to design nuclear weapons whose use will not result in large-scale incendiary effects. Weapons which penetrate into the ground before detonating will run much more heavily toward blast, cratering, and fallout effects. Such warheads are already operational on the Pershing II. Neutron bombs are another case in point. Simply exploding a large "dirty" bomb at ground level well upwind of a target is an obvious possibility. Small warheads delivered very accurately will minimize incendiary side effects. I've seen several other schemes suggested. Assuming that the Nuclear Winter hypothesis holds up under detailed examination by skeptical observers, it will certainly change a lot of military plans. But it won't make nuclear war obsolete. Sigh. Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 84 17:48:50 EST From: DIETZ@RUTGERS.ARPA Subject: Nuclear winter -- does it make war obsolete? To: arms-d@MIT-MC.ARPA Does nuclear winter make nuclear war obsolete? If only it were that simple. Nuclear winter is caused primarily by burning cities. Any nuclear strategy which avoids massive city fires will avoid nuclear winter. As I was trying to say in my message on the Atlantic article, there are obvious ways of designing nuclear weapons to reduce fire effects. Nuclear weapons cause fires in two ways. First, thermal pulse ignites dry material with a line of sight to the fireball. Second, the blast ruptures water mains, gas lines and petroleum tanks; it also causes sparks and liberates existing sources of flame. The first effect can be minimized by surface or underground bursts, and by using larger numbers of smaller warheads. As I understand it, ground bursts entrain large amounts of soil which greatly dims the fireball. The second effect is harder to avoid. Very large multi-ton conventional bombs in WWII worked by an interesting mechanism: their explosions were entirely contained underground. The explosions created large cavities into which the targets fell. This turned out to be far more efficient than destroying the target with blast alone. (Reference: The Dam Busters, Ballentine Books). Exploding nuclear weapons under their targets, even if the blast is only partially contained, would greatly reduce blast pressures in the surrounding area. Instead, the surroundings will be buried by the matter kicked up from the crater and so would be less likely to burn. Finally, radiological warfare is possible. It has been ignored up to this point because the easiest way to make radionuclides, fission, also makes a lot of energy, so you might as well use that energy to blow up or burn the target. Now that nuclear winter makes direct attack on urban areas suicidal more thought will be given to bombs tailored for rad-war. A "enhanced fallout weapon" would consist of a neutron bomb wrapped in a neutron multiplier, such as beryllium, surrounded by a neutron thermalizer (carbon, say) mixed with an element that absrobs thermal neutrons to make a radioisotope with the desired halflife & decay energy. Cobalt-60 (halflife 5.2 year) or scandium-46 (halflife 84 days) could be good end products. --- Some consequences: (1) large warheads are much less valuable. They cannot be used in cities for fear of fire, and cannot be buried far enough to avoid fire dangers. (2) accuracy becomes more important than throw-weight (3) impact velocity of the warhead is important, so ballistic missiles are preferred to ground hugging cruise missiles or bombers (4) radiological warfare moves to center stage. ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon 5 Nov 84 09:12:26-PST From: DANTE@EDWARDS-2060.ARPA Subject: Importance of Nuclear Freeze To: arms-d@MIT-MC.ARPA I am a newcomer to this discussion and have only read the past two weeks of the arms discussion digest. So I hope I won't simply be beating a dead horse if I take issue with some apparently unarticulated assumptions. First I don't agree that nuclear arms, freeze, disarmament, whatever, is the central issue which should concern us. To me the central issue is the avoidance of a global war. And I don't know of any war in history that was fought or not fought because of the availability of a particular weapon. I assume that those who zero in on nuclear arms do so because they feel that the real question is intractable so if we could only put nuclear weapons in the same category as poison gas, outlawed by all nations, they would never be used and the world would at least be a safer place. Well, I see a number of problems with that approach. When poison gas was used in WWI it was seen to be a disaster for all sides. Its utility as a weapon, on balance, was minimal. No such consensus exists for nuclear weapons. Most people believe that it was militarily successful in shortening WWII. Military experts on both sides believe that nuclear weapons would be highly useful in a number of situations (tank and troop concentrations, carriers, transportation bottlenecks, etc.) And many of the experts on both sides believe, despite the "official" protestations to the contrary, that such weapons can be used effectively without serious negative effect on themselves. As the experience with poison gas shows, even though a weapon is outlawed, no large nation is without a development program and stockpiles. Poison gas was not a factor in WWII not because it was outlawed but because it was not seen as effective. Nuclear weapons, if anything, are seen as super effective. I think we are sticking our heads in the sand if we think that a world war can be fought without the use of nuclear weapons no matter what treaties are signed. This is not to say that we might not be able to mitigate such usage through treaty. However, if we concentrate our effort on avoiding global war, then the role of nuclear weapons becomes much more ambiguous. We need to seriously consider the effect that each proposal has, not just on nuclear weapon reduction, but on war probability reduction. If, for example, we could wave a magic wand and eliminate all nuclear weapons from the face of the earth tomorrow, I am sure that there would be a global war within five years. The temptation for those with the conventional forces in place would be overwhelming. I don't think that anyone would deliberately start that war, rather they would be simply improving their local positions. Just as the Soviet Union and its partner, Nazi Germany, didn't really believe that their invasion of Poland would launch a world war, so today a miscalculation of the response of the other side would cause the escalation. And, of course, nuclear weapons would soon be back in the picture. The second problem I see with the current emphasis on nuclear weapons is that it leads some to believe that there is a magic bullet that will end the danger of nuclear annihilation. Magic bullets are much easier to sell politically than are realistic policies. Star Wars and nuclear freezes can be very dangerous if their proponents begin to believe that they are more than convenient tags to rally the public. The extremist rhetoric can paint both sides into corners from which the magic bullet will be launched without any real discussion of the uninteresting but essential details. The real world is very complex. Actions frequently have unintended effects. These effects will not be discovered through polemic. Finally, I believe that there is a danger that the attention given to a single weapon is distracting attention from the necessary kind of detailed analysis that looks at the actual national goals and interests of each side realistically so as to forge the kind of policies that will prevent war. That analysis, I believe, is well worth discussion. ------- ------------------------------ Date: 5 November 1984 23:21-EST From: Herb Lin <LIN @ MIT-MC> Subject: software development effort for the SDI -- draft paper To: ARMSD @ MIT-MC *DRAFT* paper title: Thoughts on Software Development and the SDI Author: Herb Lin Address: Center for International Studies E38-616 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139 Date: October 1984 Abstract: The battle management system for the ballistic missile defenses that are addressed by the Strategic Defense Initiative is critically dependent on fully reliable software. The Fletcher Commission estimates that the battle management software will be on the order of ten million lines of code. If this estimate is valid, the software development effort is estimated to take on tens of thousands of man-years to design and implement. Alternative approaches to conventional programming (expert systems and automatic programming) are considered and are found to be unable to mitigate the problem significantly. Copies available through ARPANET FTP on request. ------------------------------ [End of ARMS-D Digest]