[fa.telecom] TELECOM Digest V3 #108

Telecom-Request%usc-eclc@brl-bmd.UUCP (Telecom-Request@usc-eclc) (11/29/83)

TELECOM Digest           Tuesday, 29 Nov 1983     Volume 3 : Issue 108

Today's Topics:
                          Customer Name/Address
      French PTT's disemanation of home terminals (not "computers")
                      Re: TELECOM Digest   V3 #106
                     Customer Name and Address (CNA)
                         Dow Jones via MCI Mail
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 83 10:56:49 PST
From: jlapsley%D.CC@Berkeley (AJ76)
Subject: Customer Name/Address

   The service mentioned in Telecom 3/107 where one can dial and get a
name for a given telephone number is a bureau of the telephone company
called customer name/address, or CN/A.  It is normally used when 
somebody calls the business office wanting to know about some long 
distance call they don't think they made, and want to know who belongs
to that number (i.e., maybe they did make it, they just don't remember
the number).

   CN/A is not supposed to be for the customer's use, and something 
tells me that Ma Bell won't be too thrilled that any numbers have 
gotten out.

                                        Phil

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Date: 27 Nov 1983 1207-PST
From: Rob-Kling <Kling%UCI@USC-ECL>
Subject: French PTT's disemanation of home terminals (not "computers")


        I know a little bit about the French effort through
   experiences in a recent visit to France and through some French
   academic colleagues who are studying different aspects of the
   telephone /terminal program.

        First and foremost, the program was based on an effort of the
   French PTT to find new work for a large software staff and also in
   the hopes of stimulating a French based terminal industry.

        The strategy reflects centralized French styles of activity
   and also an attempt for the PTT to maintain substantial control
   over resulting developments.

   For example, the current system is "closed" in that it is difficult
   to connect a terminal of a random brand to the system.  I don't
   know the terminal standard, but it does not seem to be widely in
   use outside the phone setup.  This is different than the "open"
   strategy adopted by IBM in marketing its PC and thereby stimulating
   a vast market of 3rd party suppliers for associated hardware,
   software, and even copycat ("clone") machines.

        It does not appear that the PTT's terminals can be easily
   employed for use with other systems for database inquiries.  The
   terminals can not be expanded into a PC, for example, by having a
   household purchase add-on boxes and software (e.g., operating
   system applications).  _

        Consequently, the chances that the home terminals will
   stimulate home computer use, as have say, Apple's in the US, is
   much reduced.

        I do not know about the quality of actual phone service
   through the terminals.

        The French PTT ran an electronic mail system at IFIP'83
   (Teletel) in Paris this last September.  Many people tried the mail
   system (all registrants were given mail id s.) Few could log in;
   fewer still actually sent mail.  The mail system stimulated alot of
   conversation and "communication." -- in front of the terminals
   where small clusters of conference participants were trying to
   figure it out.  All the system commands and documentation were in
   French - at an International Conference.  (After all, French is THE
   international language.  In Paris.)

        The PTT specified keyboards for Teletel come in two varieties:
   Dvorak and a linear alphabet (A.B.C.D.E......) for hunt and peck
   typists.  There is no QWERTY model.  This, in itself, is an
   interesting move.  The costs of trying to de-institutionalize
   QWERTY may well be to make the system unattractive for people who
   have learned to type or who must type at high speed on any other
   system.  (This is the keyboard for promoting their new electronic
   mail system.  I'm not sure whether the same keyboard layouts are
   used for the home telephone directory systems.)

        Teletel is NOT the directory system.  However, since the PTT
   was showcasing Teletel at IFIP'83, I suspect that some high level
   official thought it was worthy of prominent display.

        French phone service has improved dramatically in the last 5
   years.  Perhaps 60% - 70% of French households have telephones.  In
   1970, the fraction was closer to 25-30%.  (These numbers are very
   rough and not accurate.) Pay phones are rare compared with, say,
   Newport Boulevard in Newport Beach or University Avenue in Palo
   Alto.  If you walk along a comparable commercial street in, say,
   Dijon, you will have trouble finding a pay phone.  Usually there
   are a few pay phones in the downtown areas of medium sized French
   towns.  Phone service in France is somewhat less accessable than in
   the US, and the French efforts are very different than what ATT
   would do.

        It is worth tracking the French efforts.  While "households
   are getting terminals," this is not quite "the computerization of
   society." These French efforts provide a rich case in which central
   policies which spread some elements of computerization to
   households are deeply intertwined with cultural approaches, the
   attempts of a central government to stimulate segments of an
   internationally competitive computer industry, and the political
   economy of the French PTT.  An interesting saga is unfolding.

        Most of the useful materials about these efforts are written
   in French.



   Rob Kling (Kling.uci-20b@rand-relay)

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Date: 27 Nov 1983 1543-PST
Subject: Re: TELECOM Digest   V3 #106
From: Ian H. Merritt <SWG.MERRITT@USC-ISIB>

Marvin:
        The telco routing databases you asked about are described in 
considerable detain in the following articles:

        Sheinbein, D. and R. P. Weber, "800 Service Using SPC Network
        Capability", BSTJ Vol. 61, No. 7, Part 3, P 1737, Special
        issue "Stored Program Controlled Network", September 1982.

        Haas, C. W. et al, "800 Service Using SPC Network Capability--
        Network Implementation and Administrative Functions", BSTJ
        Vol.  61, No. 7, Part 3, P 1745, Special issue "Stored Program
        Controlled Network", September 1982.

Other interesting articles on related items are also found in this 
issue.

                                                <>IHM<>

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Date: 28 Nov 1983 0819-EST
From: John R. Covert <RSX-DEV at DEC-MARLBORO>
Subject: Customer Name and Address (CNA)

CNA numbers exist everywhere (sometimes one number for a multi-state 
region or several numbers for a multi-operating company state).

The Chicago area is the only area I know of where the number is public
knowledge.  In other areas the number is a closely guarded secret.

Private directory companies used to produce a reverse listing of this 
type; some may still (check your library for the city directory), but 
the company in this area stopped about three years ago.

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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 83 08:51:54 pst
From: jmrubin%ucbcoral.CC@Berkeley (Joel Rubin)
Subject: Dow Jones via MCI Mail

This service now works.  One thing which you should know is that the 
logout word on Dow Jones is "disc"--if you got a Dow Jones account in 
a more usual way, you'd have this info, but with one of these 
subsidiary accounts, that might be a problem.  Fortunately, as long as
you are in //intro, you are not being charged connect time, so hanging
up the phone isn't that bad.  (For some reason, Mike Cane, in his 
"Computer Phone Book" did not give this info, and how I log out is 
usually the first piece of info I want to know when I use a system, 
especially one which costs.)

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