[net.video] Protons and other monitors

alex@sdcsvax.UUCP (07/17/84)

I've seen the Proton and was less than impressed--with IT and the Sony.
Maybe the video store I was in had a Jacob's ladder in the back room,
but the pictures were really snowy.  This was true both from local TV
stations and from a Pioneer laserdisk.  The salesman seemed rather
impressed with his own eqpt.; I can't say I was.

My choice for TV?  Well, I'm about to get the Zenith VHT component TV
system.  I like the monitor and especially its price.  I'm sure this'll
get me talked about, but I think its picture is very good for the price.
And Zenith's other components impress me, too.

Comments?

Alex

ron@fluke.UUCP (Ron Pankiewicz) (07/20/84)

I've also seen the Proton line of TV's & monitors, and while they
have a very good picture, I wouldn't say it's clearly the *best*.

We did side-by-side comparisons of Proton with Sony, JVC & Mistubishi.
The source was a Pioneer Laser Disk.  We spent several hours, after
carefully adjusting the controls on each set to optimize its picture.

Our unanimous verdict:  there seemed to be something wrong with the
JVC sets... neither we nor the salesman could get a good picture on 'em.

The color on the Sony sets was exaggerated, even garish; never could
get a natural balance.

The Proton had the best black level, fairly intense colors, best
sound and least overscan.

And the Mitsubishi had the most natural overall color, best registration
and sharpest detail (yes, even sharper than the Proton).  It had trivially
more overscan than the Proton, and a slightly more metallic sound (not a
major problem, since it does have an audio-out jack).  We then bought 6
of the Mitsubishi sets (#CS1960R).

rs55611@ihuxk.UUCP (Robert E. Schleicher) (07/20/84)

Anyone have any comment on the NEC 19" monitor/receiver (1901A?),
as well as its 25" cousin?  I've been very impressed with ones I've seen 
in stores, especially with its low price (as low as $550), considering
the features:

full stereo inputs, outputs for hook-up to stereo systems
internal speakers (2), with pop-out sound deflectors
internal 5W/channel amp(s) with speaker jacks for optional speakers
     that give somewhat better sound than the internal ones
switchable 3.58 MHz filter (I'm not sure what this really means, but my 
      guess was that you can switch from a comb or notch type filter
      to a cruder low-pass filter.  Why you'd use the low-pass when you 
      have a comb filter is not clear to me.)
139 channel tuner
random access tuning
IR remote
1 program programmability (using your TV as an alarm clock?)
all color/picture controls on front of case
video inputs for 2 direct inputs, as well as RF

Also, the picture on ones I've seen has been very good (although
I have seen snow at some stores, this has been on all sets, and
was therefore not a set problem).

All in all, a pretty nice-looking bargain.  Anyone have one,
or long - term experience with one?

Bob Schleicher
ihuxk!rs55611
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Naperville, Ill.

arl@mb2c.UUCP (Arlan R. Levitan) (07/22/84)

I had the 25" version of the NEC (2501A). While the picture was very good, it
was not up to my expectations. I ended up selling it and buying a Sony Profeel
KX 2501a and VTX-1000R tuner. I should have bought the Sony to begin with. In
my opinion there is no comparison between the NEC and the Profeel or Proton.
The black levels, contrast, and sharpness of the latter two win hands down.
I also had a problem with interference on the extreme right hand side of the
NEC when viewing premium channels on cable which were unscrambled.
Mind you, I'm not saying the NEC is a bad unit, just that you get what you pay for. 
P.S. While I liked the Proton a lot, I didn't care for their tuner at all,
which tipped the scales for the Sony.

howard@cca.UUCP (Howard Bernstein) (07/24/84)

I have a Mistubishi CS1960R and though my tests were not as thorough I also
think it had the most natural color.  If your looking for a monitor try the
Mistubishi CS1901.  It supposedly has a higher contrast faceplate than the
Diamond Vision, and also has smaller pixels.