[net.video] A Question on Cable Converters and Converting in 2 Directions

jmsellens@watmath.UUCP (John M Sellens) (08/13/84)

This query has its roots in pay TV, but has nothing to do with
unauthorized reception etc.....

Up here in Canada, pay TV is an extra service that you pay for on top
of your regular cable TV charge (which I understand may not be the case
in (some parts of) the US).  The pay staions are on converter channels
(i.e. not ordinary UHF or VHF frequencies).  You must set up your
magic boxes as follows:

   -----> converter -----> decoder ----> TV

which makes it hard to use your TV's built-in cable converter (since you
always have to keep it on channel 3 or 4).

My question is: how hard would it be to make a small box that strips one
channel out of the incoming signal for input to the decoder, then takes
the output from the decoder and splices it back in to the other signals:

-----> split ----all channels except the pay channel-> join ------> TV
         |                                              ^
     pay channel only                                   |
     converted to ch 3                                  |
         |                                              |
         ----------------> decoder ----------------------

Notes: decoder expects one channel coming in on channel 3.
       the 'join' would take a signal on channel 3 and move it
           back where it started (e.g. 26)
       the 'split' removes the scrambled 26 from all the other
          channels, converts it to channel 3, and sends it to the
          decoder.

I envisage a small little box, with some (possibly inconvenient)
way of setting the channel that you want to decode.  Of course this
whole idea falls apart when we start talking about more than one 
channel.

Any comments??   Thanks!

John M Sellens
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lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) (08/14/84)

All sorts of games can be played with stripping out some channels,
processing them (e.g. through your legal decoder) changing output channels,
then reinserting back into the primary cable feed.  There are many 
varieties of converters (single channel and "block") for moving
channels around.  HOWEVER:

1) By and large, you won't find most of these devices down at
   your local Radio Shack.  This sort of equipment is widely stocked
   by wholesale cable TV supply companies, who may or may not be
   interested in dealing with you as an individual.  Usually not.

2) The equipment can get expensive.  Not so much the converters themselves
   (though they ain't cheap) but because...

3) ... the RE-INSERTING of signals, unlike splitting off of signals, can
   be a royal pain and may involve large investments in special sideband
   traps, filters, and other equipment, depending on how "crowded"
   your cable is with channels and what channels you are attempting
   to combine.  Adjacent channel and other interference, resulting in
   herringbone and other fascinating effects, is very common in these
   situations.  Many cable companies can't even get this right, which
   explains part of the reason for much lousy cable service. 

I have a very elaborate cable setup here, and know various people
(some of them local (L.A.) TV broadcast engineers with similar
systems.  Most of us have given up on recombining signals, at least
on our systems.  The overall investment in equipment and ongoing time
to keep everything aligned just isn't worth the hassle for us.
A/B switches are much easier to setup and maintain, even though they
aren't as convenient to use.

--Lauren--