[net.video] monitor query: composite color input vs. RGB

franken@bbncca.ARPA (Ed Frankenberry) (08/23/84)

Can someone explain the differences between monitors designed for use as
computer displays and those intended for ordinary video?  I would like to
find a color monitor that accepts both separate RGB inputs (such as from
a computer) and conventional (NTSC composite) video.  Do computer monitors
generally require greater resolution?  Is one monitor suitable for both?

A related question: does a standard exist for RGB video signals?  Although
several "IBM PC compatible" monitors are now available, I seem to recall
hearing that normal (analog?) monitors wouldn't accept the (digital?)
signal from the PC.  Are TTL levels used at the 8-pin interface?  There
seems to be a lot of misinformation regarding compatibility.  What's the
real story?
	Thanks

dmmartindale@watcgl.UUCP (Dave Martindale) (08/24/84)

A good RGB monitor needs more video bandwidth than an ordinary TV.
Perhaps 15-20 MHz is needed to give good resolution for pictures
displayed at TV rates; ordinary TV's have perhaps 5MHz video bandwidth.
Any display that accepts NTSC composite video contains an NTSC to RGB
decoder, since all tubes eventually need RGB signals.  Including such
a decoder in a monitor intended primarily for RGB use would produce
a very good NTSC monitor as well.  Unfortunately, most monitors I've
seen with dual RGB and NTSC inputs are really TV sets with access
to the video amplifiers, but without sufficient bandwidth to make
a good RGB monitor.

There is a standard for NTSC composite video signals - it's called RS170A,
and specifies 1V peak-to-peak signal level.  There is no real standard
for RGB.  Some sources produce a signal which looks identical to three
different channels of RS170 black&white signals - video plus sync on all
three channels, 1V P-P.  In other cases, only the green channel carries
the sync information.  In yet others, the RGB signals are nothing but
luminance information and a 4th cable is used for sync.  In this case,
the RGB signals may be 714mV P-P (same as the non-sync part of RS170
signals) or they may be 1V P-P.  Most RGB monitors are capable of being
driven from most or all of these slightly-different versions.  The important
thing in common is that the brightness information for each of RGB is
an analog voltage.

The IBM PC, on the other hand, apparently sends digital signals to the
monitor - they are red, green, blue, and bright.  This saves building
three 2-bit DACs in the PC, and three linear video amplifiers in the
monitor, but gives you a monitor and computer that are incompatible
with the rest of the world of analog video, and forever limits you to
15 colours.  Yechh.

jcp@brl-tgr.ARPA (Joe Pistritto <jcp>) (08/28/84)

There are several systems for sending color signals to a monitor, in order
of resolution (low to high)

	NTSC (American Television Standard) - uses 525 lines, 30Hz, each
		frame is actually two frames, (interlaced).  This is
		ALWAYS sent over a composite (single) cable.  This can
		be made from the PC's composite video via an RF modulator,
		(about $20 from any video store), but you will lose every
		thing over the PC's medium resolution mode on the color
		board.  (and the result isn't EXACTLY NTSC so it doesn't
		work on all TV's, Sony's work excellently though).
		Top bandwith is 3.5Mhz here (due to the TV sound trap)

	Composite Video - Any # lines, (usually from 400 to 600, 512 is
		popular).   Usually, this is used for 512x512 applications.
		Requires one cable.  This is often interchangable with
		NTSC above at low resolutions (320x240 or so).  The PC's
		composite video works at all resoulutions, but the high
		resolution stuff cannot be successfully converted to
		NTSC.  I believe the PC produces ~12 Mhz on the RCA phono
		plug on the color board.

	RS-170 3 or 4 wire - medium resolution graphics display standard.
		Uses seperate R, G, and B, and often sync.  Sync can also
		be added to the Green line, (but more and more it appears
		seperately).  The standard bit rate for RS-170 is 12-20Mhz
		or some such.  This is what the PC color adapter puts out
		on the multipin connector.  If you are using high-resolution
		mode, USE a RS-170 monitor!!!!!.  The color saturation is
		usually much better, (the colors aren't demultiplexed in
		the tube unit), and the phosphors are much more precise.
		The Princeton Graphics monitor is supposed to be excellent.

	RS-343 (3 or 4 wire) - This is FAST stuff, intended for real serious
		graphics work (1024x1280 at 30Hz, 512x640 at 60Hz).  The
		bit rates here are typically over 25Mhz, up to about 36Mhz
		depending on screen configuration.  Usually this is 4 wire,
		although some systems encode sync on green again.  Monitors
		for this are made by Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and most of the
		high-end graphics manufacturers, minimum price is $2K or
		so.  There ARE boards for the PC which produce this, but
		they are rare.

	I hope this helps answer your question, if not, send me mail
at JCP@BRL

						-JCP-