[net.video] Question about Stereo and HI FI VCRs

dwhitney@uok.UUCP (01/08/85)

This question may already have been addressed here, so please forgive if
this is a repeat.

Having recently gained a certain amount of interest in the VCRs with greater
sound capabilities, I am now thoroughly confused regarding the distinction
which is painstakingly made by the various VCR manufacturers between
a "STEREO" unit and a "HI-FI" unit.  I thought the difference was merely
a marketing ploy; now, I've come across those who tell me that the two
audio formats are incompatible, that the stereo movies I have purchased
will not reproduce stereo in a HI-FI recorder system.  Others have siad
that there is no such problem.  What, in a nutshell, is the difference??.

Although I would appreciate any input, my recorders (and any subsequent
purchase of a hi-fi/stereo VCR) would be of the VHS format.

Thanks in advance

David Whitney
ctvax!uokvax!uok!dwhitney

ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (01/14/85)

> I am now thoroughly confused regarding the distinction
> which is painstakingly made by the various VCR manufacturers between
> a "STEREO" unit and a "HI-FI" unit.  I thought the difference was merely

Once again, almost every VCR on the market today is STEREO.  It has two
tracks along the edge that are roughly equivelent fidelity to a crappy
cassette.  HIFI multiplexes a higher fidelity audio track in with the
video and is layed down withh the video head.

> I've come across those who tell me that the two
> audio formats are incompatible, that the stereo movies I have purchased
> will not reproduce stereo in a HI-FI recorder system.

They are incompatible, but that doesn't mean they can't coexist.  I would
venture to say that all HIFI decks are perfectly able to replay the old
stereo signals when the HIFI isn't on the tape.  The Beta HIFI tapes may
also be played on non-hifi machines because they also record the old style
stereo tracks as well.  VHS detracters say VHS HIFI tapes can't be played
on older machines without degredation of the video component.  I don't know
if this is true, or just SONY propaganda.

-Ron

ralphd@teklds.UUCP (Ralph Durtschi) (01/22/85)

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I have just done a bunch of investigation into the Stereo/HI-FI area before
purchasing a JVC HR725 HI-FI VHS recorder and here are some of my findings.

OLD STYLE STEREO was produced by Beta and VHS the same way. By recording the
sound on the edge of the tape (linear track). This caused problems because 
the tape moves very slowly past the stationary audio heads. (Generally, the 
faster the tape moves past the head, the better the sound quality.) The sound 
quality varies widely with recording speed and even at the fastest speed the 
specs are lousy.
	
HI-FI STEREO is produced by mounting the audio heads (in VHS format) on the
rotating drum with the video heads. Therefore, the heads move past the tape
at a much higher rate. The recording speed has little or no effect on sound
quality and the frequency response is flat from 20Hz to 20KHz with an unde-
tectable amount of wow and flutter. Supposedly, the specs are just slightly 
worse than digital sound. On the HR725 you can actually record four separate
sound tracks. Left HI-FI, right HI-FI, left linear, and right linear. Audio 
dubbing can only be done on the linear tracks.

All of the HI-FI recorders I looked at were downward compatible. ie. They all
contained the old style audio heads in addition to the HI-FI heads so all
of the old recordings will still work just the same at least on VHS machines.
I say that because Video magazine (I'm 80% sure) said that BETA HI-FI played 
only mono with the stationary head, I have not verified this however.

My machine has a knob that allows you to adjust the sound to come from the
linear tracks or the HI-FI tracks or any mixture. Believe me, I can hear a
very BIG difference in quality as I rotate the knob back and forth.

Hope this helps,

Ralph Durtschi....hope I'm right 'cuz I hate those flames.

newly born again video junky

custead@sask.UUCP (Der cuss) (01/26/85)

>> VHS detracters say VHS HIFI tapes can't be played
>> on older machines without degredation of the video component.  I don't know
>> if this is true, or just SONY propaganda.

I wouldn't worry about it!
The other night I rented two VHS tapes: one HI-FI, one not.  My machine
is not HI-FI.  The HI-FI tape had far better video quality.  (It was new
in the store).  If there is theoretical degradation of the video component,
it is probably not discernible to the viewer.  In my case the degradation
of the tape which had been rented many, many times far swamped any effect
of whether HI-FI was present or not.
(What was interesting was that the HI-FI tape was not Stereo,  for an
obvious reason: the movie had not been recorded in stereo to begin with.)

					L. R. Custead
					Department of babbling about video
					Univ of Sask