[net.video] AC on Cable?

raan@hp-pcd.UUCP (raan) (02/18/85)

I encountered the same phenomenon on my system.  I believe that what is
happening is that the tv cable shielding is picking up an induced voltage
(relative to earth).  The source of this induced voltage is the power lines
that the cable shares the telephone poles with.  (You get the same affect
if you ground one of the incoming wires on your telephone.  You'll be 
rewarded with a LOUD buzz in the telephone.  The telephone works because
it is a balanced line and the induced voltage is common to both lines.
The cable is not balanced, since the shield is grounded.)  

The first thing to check is to make sure that the cable shield is grounded
to a good earth ground (like a cold water pipe or a long metal stake in the
ground).  This should be at the point of entry to your house.  

I still had problems with attaching the cable to the rest of my system
because of ground loops, so I constructed an isolation transformer by
putting a 75 to 300 ohm adapter back-to-back with a 300 to 75 ohm adapter.
(The 75 to 300 does not block the ground path, but the 300 to 75 does.
This means that you need this combination even if the cable is being 
fed to a 300 ohm input.)

The voltage on the cable should be very low current, in other words it
should not have sufficent power to do anything useful (ie light a light
bulb, I assume that your test light was a neon type, which uses low
current.)  If it does light up a regular bulb then you have a fault in
the system (a potentially lethal and certainly damaging one) and should
contact the power company and or cable company immediately!

Raan Young
(hp-pcd!raan)

slipson@bbnccv.UUCP (Sam Lipson) (02/25/85)

	One of the folks here has cable at home,  and has an
interesting problem.  Whenever he hooks his stereo up to the 
cable he gets an AC hum through the speakers [note he doesn't
need to turn the stereo on to hear the hum].

	{The intent was to be able to tune the MTV FM stereo
portion.}

	A test light shows that there is a significant AC potential
across his cable (perhaps about 110VAC).

	Has anyone heard of this before?  Is this a way for the
cable company to keep people from making their own unauthorized
connections?

	The cable company's box does not derive its power from the
cable (i.e. is has an AC power cord like most).

	Presumably to safely attach his stereo he would want to
isolate the FM signal from the AC.  Any ideas on how to do this?
(Commercially available preferably)

	I'm not so sure I'd want to connect this known live cable to 
my television directly either,  presumably the cable converter box 
idoes a good job at isolation.

	I guess one could always consider free power another advantage
of cable. (Then when the lights go out you could blame have two different
"utilities" to blame)


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fish@ihlpg.UUCP (Bob Fishell) (02/27/85)

> 
> 	One of the folks here has cable at home,  and has an
> interesting problem.  Whenever he hooks his stereo up to the 
> cable he gets an AC hum through the speakers [note he doesn't
> need to turn the stereo on to hear the hum].
> 
> 	{The intent was to be able to tune the MTV FM stereo
> portion.}
> 
> 	A test light shows that there is a significant AC potential
> across his cable (perhaps about 110VAC).
> 
> 	Has anyone heard of this before?

*** REPLACE THIS MESS WITH YOUR LINEAGE ***

My cable hookup gave me a similar problem.  I had hooked up the
cable to my VCR, which I then route to my stereo via the audio
out jack.  I noticed a pronounced AC hum which I traced to an AC
potential between the cable's shielding and earth ground.

Connecting a ground wire between the cable and the screw holding
a wall socket cover in place solved the problem nicely.

I don't believe the cable company is deliberately putting AC on
the cable; rather, it's probably picking up some AC voltage
inductively or through a power cross somewhere in the network.
CATV lines are often hung on the same poles as power lines,
so this kind of thing is bound to happen.  In any case, grounding
the outside of the cable will take care of the problem.
/_\_

				Bob Fishell
				ihnp4!ihlpg!fish

rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (02/27/85)

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If there is voltage between the cable tv and any ground, your 
friend had better call the cable company to fix their damn
cable before it kills him or damages his equipment.  If he 
doesn't want to do that because he is ripping off the cable
company, then let it go ahead and kill him.

-- 

"It's the thought, if any, that counts!"  Dick Grantges  hound!rfg

bam@sdchema.UUCP (Bret Marquis) (03/02/85)

Most cable tv companies send power down their lines.  The line
amplifiers in your neighborhood (or street) are powered that way.

It should NEVER reach your house though.  

Either a faulty tap on the pole or you've tied yourself into a main
distribution line improperly.

If your connection is legit, you should call and complain.  If not
disconnect and have the service connected properly.

The tap they use for the drop to your house has many uses, only one
of which is protecting you from hi voltages.  (Another major
one is preventing your VCR from transmitting your home movies to
your neighbors.)

Good luck!


-- 
Bret Marquis

(sdcsvax,ihnp4)!bang!bam
Bang World Communication Center - San Diego.