[net.video] VHS videotape editing?

thom@hpfcrx.UUCP (thom) (02/22/85)

Is there any consumer hardware available for editing VHS video tapes?
I know there is some (very expensive) available for industrial videotape
(i.e. the wider tape).  I would like to have two tape player/recorders
(actually one player and one recorder would work, but it isn't all that
common to find the player and the recorder decoupled in consumer units)
and be able to tell the thing I want to take frames x to y from unit one
and put them on unit two starting right here.  I would also like to be able
to take a freeze frame from unit 1 and have it recorded on frames x to y
on unit 2.  Maybe this request is a bit too much toward a solution than 
a statement of the problem.

What I want to be able to do is take images from slides and put them
on video tape and make presentations on videotape rather than the cumbersome
slide presentation mechanims.  I think I have the slide to videotape 
mechanism whipped (there are a number of ways to do that), but it is rather
difficult to synchonize the amount of time you want the image up there
merely using the slide to videotape recording step.  Ideally I want that
first step to be merely a slide image capture mechanism and the subsequent
steps to be the video production phase (i.e. play this slide this long).
     
Special effects like fade in/out would be nice, but not mandatory.

Thanks in advance for any sugestions.

Tom Morrissey
hplabs!hpfcla!thom

ron@brl-tgr.ARPA (Ron Natalie <ron>) (02/27/85)

 
> Is there any consumer hardware available for editing VHS video tapes?
> I know there is some (very expensive) available for industrial videotape
> (i.e. the wider tape).  I would like to have two tape player/recorders
> (actually one player and one recorder would work, but it isn't all that
> common to find the player and the recorder decoupled in consumer units)
> and be able to tell the thing I want to take frames x to y from unit one
> and put them on unit two starting right here.  I would also like to be able
> to take a freeze frame from unit 1 and have it recorded on frames x to y
> on unit 2.  Maybe this request is a bit too much toward a solution than 
> a statement of the problem.

Editing machines are currently made for VHS that are as complex as the
UMATIC machines.  We've got one, I think it's made by Panasonic.  I
can't get to where it is stored right now to check it.

-Ron

lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) (03/04/85)

There are many commercial VHS editing systems, but I know of none
oriented toward the (less expensive) consumer market.

--Lauren--

mengm@homxa.UUCP (P.MENG) (03/06/85)

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> 
> ... recording from slides to tape.
>	from slide 1 to frames x thru y on tape.
>	...
>
In response, I might suggest looking at a solution from another
point of view. That is, using a slide projector controller to
present the slides in just the right time and sequence, and then
recording the presentation.
	There have been some pretty sophisticated 'carousel 
controllers' on the market with the prices getting lower
all the time. These devices let you control multiple carousels
and let you fade in/out, dissolve from one slide to another,
project multiple images, overlay, etc. And these functions are all
programmable. So you could program it thru trial and error until
you were happy with the results and then tape it.
	An even cheaper method would be to use a synchronizing
device that lets you place timing marks on an audio tape channel
to trigger the carousel tray.
	
				Peter Meng

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nose@nbires.UUCP (Steve Dunn) (03/07/85)

Canon makes an "editing controller" for connecting 2 of its VR30
or VR40 portable recorders. These recorders can be bought without tuners.
Anyway I don't really know all that much about the controller except I
don't believe it can preview edits. The recorders are not capable of truly
clean edits however I tested and found that you could assembly edit with
a glitch that was only barely noticible.
     I own a "industrial" JVC VHS editing system.  This is rather expensive
but allows clean assembly and insert editing, as well as previewing of
edits and various other nice features.  You can rent such systems for
20 to 50 bucks per hour. Look in the yellow pages under "Video
Production Services."  Also if you work for any sort of large company, they
may well have such systems. You might be able to arrange to use them after
hours.
     If I remember right the application was a "video slide show"
I know my system will not do precisely timed edits at other than normal
speed (I'm not sure about the cannon) however this should be sufficient.
If you have say a 30 sec of each slide on tape you could assemble a sequence
of exactly timed segments of each to get your slide show. You can't do
fades either but most cameras can do that. You could record the whole thing
in the camera optionally fading in and out for each slide.
Stopping and starting the recorder between slides would cause minor glitches
but this would be the cheapest and easiest way to go.  You could then use the
"audio dub" feature found on many recorders to add music or narration.