veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit) (05/29/91)
THANK YOU TO ALL VOTERS !! Summary of the vote for "comp.lsi.testing": Statistics: YES votes arriving at yes@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de: 178 YES votes duplicate: -2 YES votes of the authors: +2 ----------------------------------------------------------- SUM YES: 178 NO votes arriving at no@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de: 32 NO votes duplicate: -1 ----------------------------------------------------------- SUM NO: 31 YES - NO 147 > 100 YES / (YES+NO) 0.85 > 2/3 ACCORDING TO THE VOTING RULES OF THE USENET THE GROUP "COMP.LSI.TESTING" HAS PASSED THE VOTING. Some votes did not arrive at the two given voting accounts or in time, but at the author's private account. These votes were not counted, but the voters were notified where to send a valid vote to. It was not checked whether these voters have repeated their mail to the correct accounts. Three votes (2 Yes, 1 No) arrived twice at the accounts and were of course only counted once. Votes sent to news groups were void as well. Finally, we want to thank all the voters (yes and no) for their participation. The number of 209 votes shows that there is significant interest in the topic to be discussed in comp.lsi.testing. This is important to notice because this is a special interest group, not a general topic group. Nevertheless, EVERYBODY who thinks s/he has something important or interesting (or even a "stupid" question (THERE ARE NO STUPID QUESTIONS!)) to contribute, is invited to do so. Like any group, this is YOUR forum. Holger Veit & Nikolaus Gouders ********************************************************************** List of YES voters in alphabetical order: ========================================= 1. Einar Aas Einar.Aas@delab.sintef.no 2. ? aboulham@iro.umontreal.ca 3. Mark Aitken mark@ichips.intel.com 4. Rob Aitken aitken@hpdtlra.ctgsc.hp.com 5. Rudy Albachten rudy@milo.AMD.COM 6. Brian D. Alleyne alleyne@olympus.ICS.UCI.EDU 7. Don Allingham ncr-mpd!bach!dona@ncrlnk.dayton.ncr.com 8. Brian Antao brian@vuse.vanderbilt.edu 9. Neil Barrett neil@flora.wustl.edu 10. Jeffrey A. Bertoia jbertoia%medar@uunet.UU.NET 11. W. Billowitch vhdl!wdb@uunet.UU.NET 12. David C. Black black@devnull.mpd.tandem.com 13. Yves Blaquiere yves@vlsi.polymtl.ca 14. Tommy Boatman tboatma@hubcap.clemson.edu 15. Andy Boswell andy@cged.co.uk 16. David S. Bryan bryan@mcnc.org 17. Paul Campbell taniwha!paul@mtxinu.COM 18. James Carlson carlson%mrx.webo.dg.com@RELAY.CS.NET 19. Gunnar Carlsson etxbgc@ericad.ericsson.se 20. Hoon Chang hoon@cerc.utexas.edu 21. Dave Christie davec@nucleus.AMD.COM 22. Chen Chung-Hsing chchen@agena.crhc.uiuc.edu 23. Daniel Cock daniel@computer-science.manchester.ac.uk 24. Alan Coppola hilbert!alan 25. Bob Craycroft craycrof@rtp.semi.harris.com 26. Dan Crowley dfc@genrad.com 27. Tony Dahbura atd@mcrc.mot.com 28. ? danj1@ihlpz.att.com 29. ? dekleer@parc.xerox.com 30. Kim DeVaughn ked01@juts.ccc.amdahl.com 31. ? dirkjan@duteca0.et.tudelft.nl 32. Eric Dittman dittman@skbat.csc.ti.com 33. Kent Paul Dolan xanthian@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG 34. Jeff Dwork dwork@brahms.AMD.COM 35. Lars Ersland nfyle@cc.uib.no *** 1 duplicate *** 36. Capt John Evans evans@usafa.af.mil 37. Rob Fanfelle fanfelle@bonzai.eecs.ucdavis.edu 38. Daniel F. Fayette fayette@halibut.nosc.mil 39. ? finkel@tartan.com 40. Sergio Fogel sergio@techunix.technion.ac.il 41. Jim Frenzel jff@bashful.ee.uidaho.edu 42. W. Kent Fuchs fuchs@strauss.crhc.uiuc.edu 43. Ram Ganapathi weitek!tegmine!ram@Sun.COM 44. Gopi Ganapathy gopi@mozart.AMD.COM 45. Paul Gittings paulg@tplrd.tpl.oz.au 46. Winfried Goerke goerke@ira.uka.de 47. Dennis Goodrich dennis@devnull.mpd.tandem.com 48. A.J. v.d. Goor vdgoor@duteca4.et.tudelft.nl 49. Ganesh C. Gopalakrishnan ganesh%bliss@cs.utah.edu 50. John Griffith 58116%AMGATE.gm@hac2arpa.hac.com 51. Jeremy Grodberg jgro@lia.com 52. Bruce Grugett bcg@SU59D.ess.harris.com 53. Michael K. Gschwind mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at 54. andrew guillaume a.guillaume@trl.OZ.AU 55. Bob Hale btree!hale@UCSD.EDU 56. Volker Hamann volker@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at 57. Greg Hannon hannon%elan@cs.utah.edu 58. Tenhunen Hannu tenhu@cs.tut.fi 59. Rotan Hanrahan ROTAN@ccvax.ucd.ie 60. Brian G. Harper bharper@ralvm11.vnet.ibm.com 61. Ismed Hartanto hartanto@vega.crhc.uiuc.edu 62. Marc Heijligers rcbamhl@urc.tue.nl 63. B. Erickson Herring herring@arrinext.uta.edu 64. William J Hery wjh@wayback.att.com 65. Clive Holmes clive@computer-science.manchester.ac.uk 66. Carl Holzwarth carl@berlioz.nsc.com 67. Steve Horne steve@positron.AMD.COM 68. Marcelo Huang chuang@venice.eng.uci.edu 69. Raghu Hudli raghu@fshvmfk1.vnet.ibm.com 70. Uwe Huebner huebner@eis.gmd.dbp.de 71. Tony Hurson tony@milo.AMD.COM 72. eric ivanov ivanov@imag.fr 73. ? jayasuma@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu 74. Eric Jenn jenn@laas.laas.fr 75. Robert Jones rjones@wopner.AMD.COM 76. S. Karthik kart@cerc.utexas.edu 77. Paul H. Kenyon kenyon@saku.unl.edu 78. Keesup Kim keesup@jacquard.ece.wisc.edu 79. Karl Klingsheim Karl.Klingsheim@delab.sintef.no 80. Michael Kohne cs483106@umbc5.umbc.edu 81. Kevin T. Kornegay kornegay@zabriskie.berkeley.edu 82. Ken Kubiak kubiak@copland.crhc.uiuc.edu 83. Krijn Kuiper kuiper@prl.philips.nl 84. Ramachandra P. Kunda Ramachandra.Kunda@Eng.Sun.COM 85. Terry Lalonde lalonde@Mitel.COM 86. Bjorn. B. Larsen Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no 87. Jim Lear lear@cerc.utexas.edu 88. Neil Leister n.leister@trl.OZ.AU 89. Peter Lengewitz lengewit@natalie.informatik.uni-dortmund.de 90. Donald H Lenhert lenhert@matt.ksu.ksu.edu 91. Jim Levie levie@ast.dsd.northrop.com 92. Jung-Cheun Lien lien@wiebull.usc.edu 93. ? linden@dutecai.et.tudelft.nl 94. Chun-Yeh Liu liu@cs.wisc.edu 95. Alex Loopik al@hplb.hpl.hp.com 96. Tom Lovett tdl@sequent.com 97. Tomislav Lozic tom@bumrl1.bu.edu 98. Tom Lynch lynch@cerc.utexas.edu 99. Pierre Mailhot mailhot@iro.umontreal.ca 100. Samy R. Makar samy@Neon.Stanford.EDU 101. MISVX1::MANNINGB manningb%misvx1.decnet@misvax.radc.af.mil 102. Bryan Martin bmartin@iit.com 103. Meryem MARZOUKI marzouki@rhone.imag.fr 104. Ben Mathew mathew@agena.crhc.uiuc.edu 105. Peter Maxwell peterm@hpdtlpm.ctgsc.hp.com 106. Pankaj Mayor pmayor@cat.syr.edu 107. JR McClean mcclean@prl.philips.nl 108. Bruce McLaren rabbit42@matt.ksu.ksu.edu 109. Brian McMinn brian@nucleus.AMD.COM 110. Wolfgang Meyer meyer@eis.gmd.dbp.de *** 1 duplicate *** 111. Robert Miles aurs01!aurw39!miles@mcnc.org 112. Egbert Molenkamp Molenkam@cs.utwente.nl 113. Phil Molloy teradyne!molloy 114. John Moondanos moondan@cerc.utexas.edu 115. Mark Moraes moraes@cs.toronto.edu 116. Michael Moscovitch michaelm@pike.ee.mcgill.ca 117. Prakash Narain narain@mercury.crhc.uiuc.edu 118. Joe Newman joe%cadillac.cad.mcc.com@mcc.com 119. Chanhee Oh chanhee@cerc.utexas.edu 120. Dirk Jan Out out@cs.utwente.nl 121. Mike Peters ncr-mpd!bach!mikepe@ncrlnk.dayton.ncr.com 122. Marty Pflum marty@mozart.AMD.COM 123. ? PHAR1D@Jetson.UH.EDU 124. Hardy Pottinger hjp@ee.umr.edu 125. Juergen Prang prang@du9ds4.uni-duisburg.de 126. Phil Prins pprins@copland.mrc.uidaho.edu 127. Edward P. Ratazzi ratazzie@LONEX.RADC.AF.MIL 128. Rod Rebello titan!rrebello@asuvax.eas.asu.edu 129. Holger Retz retz@du9ds.uni-duisburg.de 130. Lynn Robinson led11@juts.ccc.amdahl.com 131. Fred Rose rose@src.honeywell.com 132. Don Ross dross@cerc.utexas.edu 133. Rob Roy roy@avior.crhc.uiuc.edu 134. Paul Ryan pgr@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu 135. Martin Ryder M.Ryder@stl.stc.co.uk 136. E. Sabbah eyad@duteca0.et.tudelft.nl 137. Aasmund Sandvand Aasmund.Sandvand@cc.uib.no 138. Shailendra Save ole!ssave@sumax.seattleu.edu 139. Thomas Schwederski schwederski@mikroelektronik.uni-stuttgart.dbp.de 140. Niels Henrik Sejten nhs%mtccbm@elctr.dk 141. Ramchandani Rajen Sham rajen@edsel.ece.cmu.edu 142. P R Shepherd P.R.Shepherd@gdr.bath.ac.uk 143. Weiping Shi wshi@ravel.crhc.uiuc.edu 144. Matti Sipola msip@stek9.oulu.fi 145. Tim Skutt skutt@flicker.ras.anl.gov 146. Stephen R. Smoot smoot@postgres.Berkeley.EDU 147. Wenyi Song songw@csri.toronto.edu 148. Larry Soule soule@garlic.stanford.edu 149. ? steves%sydrd12@tplrd.tpl.oz.au 150. Scott Stratmoen freedm!scott@nrtc.northrop.com 151. MOHAPATRA SUBRAT subrat@d.cs.okstate.edu 152. Kjetil Svarstad Kjetil.Svarstad@delab.sintef.no 153. ? tad@ksr.com 154. HaJo Toepfer toepfer@du9ds4.uni-duisburg.de 155. Raita-aho Tommi tra@cs.tut.fi 156. Carol Tong qiao@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu 157. Thang Tran thang@positron.AMD.COM 158. Kjetil Ullaland nfyku@cc.uib.no 159. Bronis Vidugiris bhv@mot.com 160. HEINRICH THEODOR VIERHAUS vierhaus@eis.gmd.dbp.de 161. Praveen Vishakantaiah praveen%cadillac.cad.mcc.com@mcc.com 162. Ray Voith rayv@revenge.sps.mot.com 163. Sartid Vongpradhip sartid@vast.eecs.unsw.oz.au 164. Thomas Waas aiss!thomas@doitcr.doit.sub.org 165. John Wallner comtec!jwallner@UCSD.EDU 166. Ralph Waters rwaters@jabba.ess.harris.com 167. Richard W. Webb rww@c3.PLA.CA.US 168. Neil Whiting njw@cged.co.uk 169. Willem Jan Withagen wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl 170. Pierre Wodey wodey@imag.fr 171. Carly Wong carlyw@ee.ubc.ca 172. Tim Wood timw@brahms.AMD.COM 173. ? xanadu!thelema!STella@uunet.uu.net 174. Sameshima Yasunori same%nttica.ntt.jp@RELAY.CS.NET 175. Dah Cherng Yuan yuan@cerc.utexas.edu 176. Phil Zinno faatcrl!zinno Of course for comp.lsi.testing (the authors of the call): ========================================================= 177. Nikolaus Gouders gouders@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de 178. Holger Veit veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de List of NO voters in alphabetic order: ====================================== 1. Alain Arnaud arnaud@samsung.com 2. Jeff Bell jbell@danger.enet.dec.com 3. Jerry Callen jcallen@encore.com 4. Dale Cooper shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu 5. Henry Cox cox@Cadence.COM 6. George Engel gle@earth.wustl.edu 7. Raymond Farbarik ole!rayf@sumax.seattleu.edu 8. Erik J. Fretheim efrethei@blackbird.afit.af.mil 9. Sabih Gerez sabih@nt.eltn.utwente.nl 10. Eric Gutt tessi!eric@nosun.West.Sun.COM 11. John Hagerman hagerman@rx7.ece.cmu.edu 12. ? ilham@MIT.EDU 13. Venkat Iyer vri@sequent.com 14. Kevin Karplus karplus@ararat.ucsc.edu 15. Krzysztof Kozminski kk@mcnc.org 16. Audrey C Mack mackac@infonode.ingr.com *** 1 duplicate *** 17. Denis R. Martin denis@vlsi.polymtl.ca 18. Michael E. Mazarick mazarick@mcnc.org 19. Richard H. Miller rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu 20. Andy Mondore mondore@rpi.edu 21. James Nau james@engrs.unl.edu 22. Leonard Peirce peirce@gumby.cc.wmich.edu 23. Steve Pope spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu 24. Suresh Rajgopal rajgopal@cs.unc.edu 25. David Robinson david@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov 26. Chip Rosenthal chip@chinacat.unicom.com 27. Dave V. Schaller schaller@hsi86.hsi.com 28. Ilya Shmulevich shmulevi@cs.tut.fi 29. Charles Shub cdash@watneys.Colorado.EDU 30. Michael Sneeringer la097393@zach.fit.edu 31. Ted Stanion ted@twolf1.CE.YALE.EDU ***************************************************************************** -- | Nikolaus Gouders | |**********************************************| | University of Duisburg | | INTERNET: gouders@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de | | Fac. of Electr. Eng. | | BITNET: gouders%du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de@UNIDO | | Dept. f. Dataprocessing | |**********************************************| -- | | / Holger Veit | INTERNET: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de |__| / University of Duisburg | BITNET: veit%du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de@UNIDO | | / Fac. of Electr. Eng. | UUCP: ...!uunet!unido!unidui!hl351ge | |/ Dept. f. Dataprocessing |
xwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Xiang-Min Wang) (05/29/91)
In article <veit.675520649@du9ds3> veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit) writes: >THANK YOU TO ALL VOTERS !! > >Summary of the vote for "comp.lsi.testing": >-- >| | / Holger Veit | INTERNET: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de >|__| / University of Duisburg | BITNET: veit%du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de@UNIDO >| | / Fac. of Electr. Eng. | UUCP: ...!uunet!unido!unidui!hl351ge >| |/ Dept. f. Dataprocessing | just wonder what is the purpose of this group? thank you. xwang
veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit) (05/31/91)
In <1991May29.153729.23596@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> xwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Xiang-Min Wang) writes: >just wonder what is the purpose of this group? thank you. >xwang The name should give at least a hint. This group is intended to deal with all aspects of testing/verification of electronic (not necessarily digital & integrated) circuits. Although there are already a number of groups in the comp.lsi tree I myself felt that these groups are not a suitable forum for discussing test aspects & problems. Comp.lsi and comp.lsi.cad (which are nearly the same, because of continuous cross-posting) are frequently (?) used for design questions. I expect that designers have not very much interest in discussing aspects of fault models, fast fault simulation, test generation algorithms etc. For the designer simulators and test generators as well as circuit synthesizers and routers are just tools (this is the industrial aspect, not the academic). A tester, however, has to deal with the "something" s/he gets, and has to select an appropriate strategy and tool. Improvement of strategies is here a main goal. Although there is an overlap between designers and testers, they usually speak a different language; and this is why there was a call and vote for this group. This has nothing to do with "let's create another group" or "split this group because of too much volume". Several people remarked that we should "first fill up comp.lsi before we build another group". This comes close to the proposal to fill a bottle with water, coke, beer, whisky etc. and if it is full take the next one. There is no damage in having another group with different interests in the USENET tree; there are already ~1250. If you dislike this opinion, use the unsubscribe feature of your newsreader. But back to the original question: After internal and external discussions (e.g. on several conferences) the conclusion was to propose this group. We have seen this from the academical point of view and therefore proposed discussion topics like the following: - information on conferences and workshops (call for papers/participation) - recent results of research (to be published) - questions and answers on strategies and algorithms - fast fault simulation - ATPG - analog circuit testing - design for testability - scan testing - random testing - fault modelling - public available software - discussion on standardisation, e.g. IEEE 1149.* (boundary scan) - information on new books and journals - FAQ - ... (fill in what you think that has to said on testing/verification/fault tolerance ...) Hope this is sufficient for a first overview. Holger -- | | / Holger Veit | INTERNET: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de |__| / University of Duisburg | BITNET: veit%du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de@UNIDO | | / Fac. of Electr. Eng. | UUCP: ...!uunet!unido!unidui!hl351ge | |/ Dept. f. Dataprocessing |