[net.rec.birds] Behavior of Cardinals and Robins

wmartin@brl-tgr.ARPA (Will Martin ) (06/14/85)

Saw some interesting behavior last night by the birdbath in my back
yard. A male cardinal was standing on the walk, keeping back, and two
female cardinals were (apparently) fighting -- at least there was a lot
of fluttering and jousting going on. My first thought was that the two
females were fighting over the male -- some sort of romantic triangle.
Then I thought that that hypothesis was rather odd -- wouldn't it be
males fighting over a female, not the other way around? And then I
considered the time of year -- it is somewhat late for mating and
nesting now, isn't it? I have seen baby robins reach fledgling stage
already, and wouldn't the cardinals already have halfway-raised (at
least) their young, too? (Area = St. Louis, MO, if that matters.)

It occurred to me that maybe one of the females was a grown chick, and
the mother was driving it away to live independently. But it appeared to
be the same size as the other bird, and this seems too *early* in the
season for that sort of behavior. So I am now thoroughly confused.

Or could have been a simple territorial defense? Does the male bird of a
pair fight off other males of the same species, and the female fight off
other females? Or does either sex defend against either?

Alternative explanations and expert opinions welcomed!

*****

And another query, not really related: We often see baby robins on the
ground, hopping around and being fed and guarded by the parents. We
never see other species' chicks in the same situation. Is this because:

a) There are more robins around? (There really are more starlings, but
maybe they all nest together somewhere away from my house [thank
goodness!].)

b) Robins build lousy nests, too small for the chicks, which fall out
all the time (more than other species)?

c) Other species' chicks that fall out are immediately abandoned, and
die soon afterwards, and thus are not seen (plus there are no concerned
parents around to draw attention to them)?

d) Something else entirely?

Regards, and happy birding!
Will Martin

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ewa@gitpyr.UUCP (Eric Allender) (06/20/85)

> 
> And another query, not really related: We often see baby robins on the
> ground, hopping around and being fed and guarded by the parents. We
> never see other species' chicks in the same situation. 

My fiancee and I have observed this behavior in mockingbirds in Georgia and
Florida.

tjo@gypsy.UUCP (06/20/85)

 Cardinals nest quite late into the summer; they may even have more
 than one brood per year.
 A pair of cardinals built a nest in a bush just outside my living 
 room window a week and a half ago; the eggs were laid about June
 12, and we expect to be proud meta-parents any day.