Jonathan.Bradshaw@thevoid.rn.com (Jonathan Bradshaw) (06/08/91)
I just received the DOS 5.00 release and features notice. So, maybe now would be a good time to talk about it. Since it will have an impact on Desqview users, here is what Microsoft says: MS-DOS 5.0 FEATURE/BENEFIT SUMMARY * Memory Saving Features DOS LoadHigh - DOS loads most of itself into the HMA on 286/386 machines UMB Support - Lets you move device drivers and TSRs up above 640k * Ease of use features DOS Shell - New graphical, mouse driven shell Task Switcher - Allows more than one application to be active On-Line Help - Help for all DOS commands in on-line, just keystrokes away Full Screen Editor - New editor that works with keyboard or mouse Quick Format - Speedy format for hard drives and floppy disks DosKey - DOS command line history and macro-creation utility * MS-DOS 5.0 Data recovery utilities Undelete - Lets you recover files you didn't mean to delete Unformat - Lets you recover all files on a floppy or hard disc * Other MS-DOS 5.0 features QBasic - QuickBasic 4.5 interpreter included Large Disks - Handles disks larger than 32mb WITHOUT SHARE.EXE * Technical Facts o Old version of DOS to be upgraded must be at least 2.11 o Upgrade will work on any 8088, 8086 or 80x86 o Supports network setup from server o will use 3.3MB of hard disc space (ed: Gee, just what we wanted!) o will load itself into UMB to save conventional memory o automaticly updates config.sys and autoexec.bat when installing o provides an uninstall feature o Task swapper enables switches between tasks with hot keys o Can load DOS high (UMB) o New versions of HIMEM.SYS, RAMDRIVE, SMARTDRIVE o Improvements to EMM386.EXE (ed: shouldn't that be .SYS?) - LIM 4.0 support, access to UMB via new DEVICEHIGH= and LOADHIGH= o New switches for MEM.EXE include - /P displays information on programs use of memory - /C displays usage of UMBs o Safe and reliable -- more than 7000 beta testers (ed: bug free? sure!) o Check README.TXT for obscure areas of compatibility (ed: obscure?) o Support for new 2.88MB floppy drives (ed: I want one!) o Delete tracking and unerase support o All commands have on-line help using "/?" option o ATTRIB now affects hidden and system files o DEL /P, prompt before deleting o DIR /s, recursive directory search o DIR /o, specify sort order o DIR /a, display files with selected attribute o Plus DIR now report total bytes used by listed files o FDISK, now deletes NON-DOS partitions o FORMAT, allows non-destructive RECOVERABLE quick format o RESTORE, restores backups from previous versions of DOS o MS-DOS v5.0 with Windows 3.0 (ed: what about 3.1?) o Streamlined kernel, 5k smaller, SHARE.EXE no longer needed (6k savings) Ok, so now, you've seen it... bigger files but takes less conventional memory. Ship date is June 7th, I'll let you know when my copy comes. Can Quarterdeck now tell us what they have up their sleaves? With any luck, bigger windows! * Origin: The Voidian Gateway of Michiana [thevoid.rn.com] (1:227/1.6)
phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Howard KA9WGN) (06/11/91)
Jonathan.Bradshaw@thevoid.rn.com (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes: > Unformat - Lets you recover all files on a floppy or hard disc Hmmm, let's see, It's JUNE, not APRIL 1. > o automaticly updates config.sys and autoexec.bat when installing Is this "safe computing"? > o provides an uninstall feature Assuming it will go back down to the version you had before, it somehow has to keep a copy of all that. > o Safe and reliable -- more than 7000 beta testers (ed: bug free? sure!) But aren't they bound by a gag contract? > o Support for new 2.88MB floppy drives (ed: I want one!) Me, too! > o DIR /s, recursive directory search > o DIR /o, specify sort order Yay! > o FORMAT, allows non-destructive RECOVERABLE quick format NOW we see the joke from above. I bet they are still going to get a lot flack from people wanting to unformat a fully formatted disk. >Ok, so now, you've seen it... bigger files but takes less conventional memory. >Ship date is June 7th, I'll let you know when my copy comes. Would you say "tastes great, less filling"? Well, I would still like to have a rename ability that can actually move a file from one directory into another just by its rename, without copying anything. Longer file names would be nice, too. -- /***************************************************************************\ / Phil Howard -- KA9WGN -- phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu | Guns don't aim guns at \ \ Lietuva laisva -- Brivu Latviju -- Eesti vabaks | people; CRIMINALS do!! / \***************************************************************************/
billj@uop.uop.edu (Snugglupagus) (06/11/91)
phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Howard KA9WGN) writes: >Jonathan.Bradshaw@thevoid.rn.com (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes: howdy johnathan! haven't we met somewhere before? :-) >> Unformat - Lets you recover all files on a floppy or hard disc >Hmmm, let's see, It's JUNE, not APRIL 1. (gee, he's smart...) but seriously, i've tested it and it works. apparently, microsoft licensed some of these features from central point software, so it's not really "new". >> o automaticly updates config.sys and autoexec.bat when installing >Is this "safe computing"? >> o provides an uninstall feature >Assuming it will go back down to the version you had before, it somehow >has to keep a copy of all that. it does just that. in fact, it saves a copy of the necessary recovery programs on a floppy - just in case. >> o DIR /s, recursive directory search >> o DIR /o, specify sort order and dir /l, for lower case and dir /g, groups directories at the top - a la 4dos and dir /b, "bare" format - no heading information and dir /a:{a,h,s,r}, shows hidden and system files (finally!) you can also set up parameters at boot-time with the dircmd environment variable. (note: the attrib command can now change the hidden and system attributes as well as read-only.} >> o FORMAT, allows non-destructive RECOVERABLE quick format >NOW we see the joke from above. I bet they are still going to get a lot >flack from people wanting to unformat a fully formatted disk. actually, it can recover from a standard dos format. i'm sure it can't recover a low-level formatted disk, though... >Well, I would still like to have a rename ability that can actually move a file >from one directory into another just by its rename, without copying anything. well, it would be nice... but there are shareware move commands that work just fine. >Longer file names would be nice, too. maybe dos 5.5/6.0? (hint hint) snugglupagus -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "I tell myself this can't go on | Send email/flames to: Very much longer | billj@uop.edu But when I put the last brick in the wall |-------------------------------- Another brick falls" - Deborah A. Gibson | Disclaimer: It's all mine! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
ralf+@cs.cmu.edu (Ralf Brown) (06/11/91)
In article <1991Jun10.193627.18400@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> phil@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Phil Howard KA9WGN) writes: }> o DIR /s, recursive directory search }> o DIR /o, specify sort order } }Well, I would still like to have a rename ability that can actually move a file }from one directory into another just by its rename, without copying anything. I've had that in REN for over a year. Of course, I'm using 4DOS instead of COMMAND.COM.... 4DOS has also had the directory sorting and recursion for a long time. The DOS kernel has actually had the ability to rename files from one directory into another for over seven years (since DOS 2.0), but COMMAND.COM never caught up with the kernel's abilities (that applies in other areas as well). -- {backbone}!cs.cmu.edu!ralf ARPA: RALF@CS.CMU.EDU FIDO: Ralf Brown 1:129/53 BITnet: RALF%CS.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE AT&Tnet: (412)268-3053 (school) FAX: ask DISCLAIMER? Did | It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's I claim something?| what we know that ain't so. --Will Rogers
Jonathan.Bradshaw@f310.n227.z1.rn.com (Jonathan Bradshaw) (06/13/91)
Well, I've installed IBM DOS 5.0. (Not Microsoft, since they haven't shipped me a review copy yet). It's great if you DON'T RUN QEMM/DV! The problem is: DOS= command. If you DOS=HIGH to load DOS in the HMA, you get something like 630K of conventional memory. Unfortunatly, Desqview now loads, and since it can't use the HMA takes conventional ram and your back to SQUARE ONE! Also, if you say DOS=UMB then Desqview can't use any UMBs either! I settled for leaving DOS low and using QEMM for all upper memory operations. Of course, you may as well stick with DOS 4.01! Oh, the UNFORMAT, UNDELETE and MIRROR programs are licensed from PC-Tools! At least we know they'll work <grin> So if you have PC-Tools then there is no need to upgrade either! Also, 4DOS can't seem to figure out if ANSI.SYS is loaded and is tricked into thinking it is. An anonying problem since you now get ansi codes sent to the screen. Argh... why can't DOS load itself into an UMB instead of HMA or in protected mode? Or, why can't DV!? * Origin: VOIDian Gateway of Michiana (thevoid.rn.com) (1:227/310.0)
reisert@mast.enet.dec.com (Jim Reisert) (06/13/91)
In article <676762314.0@thevoid.rn>, Jonathan.Bradshaw@f310.n227.z1.rn.com (Jonathan Bradshaw) writes... >Well, I've installed IBM DOS 5.0. (Not Microsoft, since they haven't shipped me >a review copy yet). It's great if you DON'T RUN QEMM/DV! >[...] >I settled for leaving DOS low and using QEMM for all upper memory operations. >Of course, you may as well stick with DOS 4.01! I noticed something similar. My solution was to have QEMM manager all the high memory, and use QEMM's LOADHI.SYS and LOADHI.COM, rather than DOS 5.0's. Also, I use DOS=HIGH but no UMBs. With 4DOS, this resulted in 639K of free DOS memory, and 598K of free memory for DESQview tasks. If you want, send me mail and I'll send you a copy of my CONFIG.SYS file. - Jim =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "The opinions expressed here in no way represent the views of Digital Equipment Corporation." James J. Reisert Internet: reisert@mast.enet.dec.com Digital Equipment Corp. UUCP: ...decwrl!mast.enet!reisert 146 Main Street Voice: 508-493-5747 Maynard, MA 01754 FAX: 508-493-0395