joachim@jrix.radig.de (Joachim Riedel) (04/15/91)
Hello, This is TASS 3.0, a news reader from Rich Skrenta (Thanks a lot), that was first ported to MINIX and now to Coherent. This is my first source posting to the net so please excuse if something went wrong. How to unpack: Edit each part until you have only the uuencoded parts. cat tass.aa tass.ab tass.ac > tass.all uudecode all uncompress tass.tar.Z ustar xvf tass.tar tass.tar.Z 76518 Bytes Hope the posting will arrive and TASS work Joachim +---------------------------------------+-------+-------------------+-------+ | Joachim Riedel | @ @ | Don't worry, | @ @ | | Geschwister-Scholl-Strasse 48 | \_/ | keep smiling | \_/ | | D-6050 Offenbach am Main +-------+-------------------+-------+ | Tel. +49 69 85 62 25 | joachim@jrix.radig.de | +---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
rose@galtee.cs.wisc.edu (Martin Luther King) (04/15/91)
In article <1991Apr14.180426.3853@jrix.radig.de> joachim@jrix.radig.de (Joachim Riedel) writes: >This is my first source posting to the net so please excuse if something >went wrong. Much as we would all like to have wide distribution of sources for Coherent, I must say that there are some problems with posting sources to a discussion group-- like this one. For one thing, some sites can't afford the kind of traffic that a sources group has, and therefore don't carry them. If we don't self-police and keep sources out of comp.os.coherent, we may find some sites deciding not to carry this group-- I hope that we can agree that that is not in our interest. I am particularly concerned because comp.os.coherent will likely soon be gatewayed onto the ListServe and Internet mailing lists, where big sources postings could cost individual users big money. Its my hope that comp.coherent.sources will come into existence someday. If the current level of discussion traffic is sustained, arbitron numbers will indicate that comp.os.coherent has a high level of interest, which can be used to help justify a sources group. If we wait a bit, until we have that data (and a vote counter volunteers), there might be a better place to post than comp.sources.misc, which is the only correct choice for Coherent sources right now. -- Scott Rose rose@cs.wisc.edu (608) 238-3801
root@trystro.uucp (Rick Nickle) (04/16/91)
In article <1991Apr15.160006.25249@spool.cs.wisc.edu> rose@galtee.cs.wisc.edu (Martin Luther King) writes: >In article <1991Apr14.180426.3853@jrix.radig.de> joachim@jrix.radig.de (Joachim Riedel) writes: > >>This is my first source posting to the net so please excuse if something >>went wrong. > >Much as we would all like to have wide distribution of sources for Coherent, >I must say that there are some problems with posting sources to a discussion >group-- like this one. For one thing, some sites can't afford the kind of >traffic that a sources group has, and therefore don't carry them. If we don't >self-police and keep sources out of comp.os.coherent, we may find some sites >deciding not to carry this group-- I hope that we can agree that that is not >in our interest. I am particularly concerned because comp.os.coherent will >likely soon be gatewayed onto the ListServe and Internet mailing lists, where >big sources postings could cost individual users big money. Just a thought, but wouldn't it make more sense to gateway the mailing lists into the newsgroup and newsgroup readers could reply to questions via email? Pretty soon, I would imagine most of the questions on the mailing lists are going to boil down to 'how do i get comp.os.coherent anyway?'. Since this group is unmoderated, it would be hard to make any kind of policy decisions concerning sources. I believe it's reasonable to put the decision to post sources to the newsgroup squarely on the shoulders of the poster, but provide some guidelines. For instance, the decision not to post cnews/rn etc. sources was made solely on the basis of the amount of tonnage usenet would have to move: a sound decision. But Joachim's newsreader was much less than 100kb, so it didn't drag the net down as much as, say, 15 minutes worth of alt.sex.pictures postings. I'm all for small, previously unavailable sources being posted to this forum. I would not like to see redundant, large sources posted here. The key word you used, Scott, was 'self-police'. Since this is not an arbitrary discussion group, I would assume that everyone here is interested in Coherent, and relevant software. I would also assume that anybody reading this group is likely to be intelligent enough to make a decision concerning how much effect his posting is going to have on the net in relation to the net benefit to everyone who reads this group. These newsgroups are here for the benefit of the readers, and if somebody posts software that benefits everyone, then the group has served its purpose, and the bandwidth was not wasted. Anybody who does post something out of line is probably not 'stupid', but just not aware of bandwidth issues. My suggestion is this: Think about it before you post: A new newsreader is a great idea. A program that calculates the number of bunions on your Grandmother's toes is not what we want to see here. Check to make sure it's not either: a) already on the piggy archive b) already on the mwcbbs archive c) in some other newsgroup (comp.os.minix, comp.sources.*) In which case an announcement of 'Hey, this great new package is available from source X' Would be much better appreciated than a post. Try not to post anything huge to this newsgroup: My notion of huge is "more than 100kb". But then again, 100kb is only approximately 4 shars or split uuencoded packets. That's only an extra 4 messages in the newsgroup daily. Even a couple hundred kb would be reasonable if it provided a great benefit to everyone. Things like cnews/rn rcs or any other multi-megabyte sources do NOT fit into this category though. Try to get it to piggy.ucsb.edu if you have FTP. If you can FTP something to piggy, it'll eventually trickle down to everybody. This works, because quite a bit of the stuff on mwcbbs is software posted to piggy that I downloaded and then mailed to MWC. They sent me a few diskettes to do this. When they send me some more disks, I'll do it again. :) Rick -- Richard Nickle The Trystro System rick@trystro.UUCP (617) 625-7155 2400bps Somerville, Massachusetts. "The sun ain't yellow, it's Chicken."--Bob Dylan
joachim@jrix.radig.de (Joachim Riedel) (04/16/91)
I think that Scott arguments are good so I now stop posting more sources but please let me do one thing: -- I started posting TASS 3.0 --- I want to finish it if Files got corrupt Here again the checksum of the files sum -r filename 58712 206 output # the whole uuencoded stuff 59044 73 tass.aa # Part 1 02316 73 tass.ab # Part 2 33891 61 tass.ac # Part 3 19333 150 tass.tar.Z # after uudecoding Sorry, Joachim +---------------------------------------+-------+-------------------+-------+ | Joachim Riedel | @ @ | Don't worry, | @ @ | | Geschwister-Scholl-Strasse 48 | \_/ | keep smiling | \_/ | | D-6050 Offenbach am Main +-------+-------------------+-------+ | Tel. +49 69 85 62 25 | joachim@jrix.radig.de | +---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
lark@greylock.tivoli.com (Lar Kaufman) (04/17/91)
I have to agree with Richard Nickle: be reasonable. Joachim is making a significant contribution, of interest to the general readership, and it isn't exactly easy for him to get stuff over to, say, piggy for those of us in the USA to get to it. Moderation is the key. Certainly I've seen plenty of precedent in other groups for posting modest files, and there is no appropriate newsgroup for our needs. Scott Rose is correct to be concerned about excessive postings of source files, especially if they are large and/or frequent, so I suggest we exercise judgement and restraint. (Also in our rebukes.) Personally, I grabbed that source with great pleasure. I hope ultimately to see a sources newsgroup for all small-unixes; with some care we can provide useful tools for QNX, Coherent, Minix, Xinu, ... (did Wendin ever get their OS out the door?) -lar Lar Kaufman I would feel more optimistic about a bright future (voice) 512-794-9070 for man if he spent less time proving that he can (fax) 512-794-0623 outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness lark@tivoli.com and respecting her seniority. - E.B. White
joachim@jrix.radig.de (Joachim Riedel) (04/19/91)
Before I posted TASS 3.0 I asked some Coherent user what to do. Post it or leave it. All I asked want to get TASS posted so I posted it. As Lar mentioned I normally have no possibilities to ftp. After posting an article to comp.unix.misc or whatever I got a reply from a guy in northern germany. He has possibilities to ftp sources from piggy. He ftp's the software and afterwards sended me diskettes. But I also think about those people who will never have this possiblities, who can't afford a 30 minute login to MWCBBS. Or won't to pay $ 35 + $ 10 for 4 diskettes with COHWARE full of public domain (!) software. I also agree that large sources must not be posted to this group. I think there should be a limit and a kind of CFV: post that or not ? When I received Scott's mail I was very angry about it also because he now mails as Martin Luther King. This fact made me most angry. I was thinking about: Why did Scott use this name. Any intention ? But now I received a new mail from Scott and also a lot of mail from people who were lucky about the posting and now I'm no longer angry. I think that comp.os.coherent is the only group where we can post ported coherent sources. In comp.sources.misc you will got a lot of flames. Maybe alt.sources but not for reposting a ported source. Some people asked me for WNEWS 3.0 - a small news system (120 K compressed, 6 split articles, spread on 3 days posting ?) Assume TASS and WNEWS as a Starter kit (comp.binaries.ibm.pc-alike) for receiving News with a Coherent-System I intend to post it but I now want that most people agree. CFV: Post WNEWS 3.0/Coherent ? Hope to hear your opinion Joachim +---------------------------------------+-------+-------------------+-------+ | Joachim Riedel | @ @ | Don't worry, | @ @ | | Geschwister-Scholl-Strasse 48 | \_/ | keep smiling | \_/ | | D-6050 Offenbach am Main +-------+-------------------+-------+ | Tel. +49 69 85 62 25 | joachim@jrix.radig.de | +---------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
koc5@quads.uchicago.edu (michael shalom kochin) (04/19/91)
The People Demand Sources!
I, for one, would like to see sources in this newsgroup.
Or, in a coherent.sources newsgroup, if that's better. (I'll let the net.gods
fight that issue out)
Just my vociferous opinion.
Michael Kochin
Grand Master of 'alfarabi'
koc5@midway.uchicago.eduottovk@ultx03.enet.dec.com (Otto van Kranenburg) (04/19/91)
Joachim, I fully agree with your point that those of us that can not easily get to PIGGY and are living on this side of the ocean, which makes the MWBBS unaffordable, will highly appreciate posting of sources. Personally I do not care at all about the format they are in, e.g shar, tar, zip, zoo, whatever is fine with me. Please continue to post sources ! Regards, Otto