hans@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Hans van Oostrom) (04/20/91)
For all you unlucky people without ftp access, there is a way to get
files from piggy (or any machine) send to you via uuencoded mail.
Do the following:
send a mail message to bitftp@pucc.bitnet with the following body
FTP piggy.ucsb.edu UUENCODE (or use 128.111.72.50 for host)
USER anonymous
..more ftp commands
..for example:
CD pub
CD coherent
bin ( >>>> very important for binary (.Z etc) files)
get ls-lR.Z (a listing)
QUIT (always end with quit)
The reply will be send to you via mail message; MAKE SURE YOUR FROM:
LINE IS CORRECT AND COMPLETE!!
You can give other ftp commands as dir and help.
This ftp server was established for bitnet users, but I don't see why
other non-ftp users can't use it. I tried it and you don't have to be
on BITNET to use it.
I have nothing to do with this server, I just found out how to use it
and pass that information through to you; please don't send me tons of
mail.
Hans van Oostrom
PO Box J-254, JHMHC hans@ufpine (BITNET)
Gainesville, FL 32601, USA hans@pine.circa.ufl.edu (INTERNET)
>>> Hoe ver je ook gaat, overal zie je landgenoten <<<root@mailgsm.mendelson.com (Superuser) (04/23/91)
hans@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Hans van Oostrom) writes: > >For all you unlucky people without ftp access, there is a way to get >files from piggy (or any machine) send to you via uuencoded mail. > >Do the following: >send a mail message to bitftp@pucc.bitnet with the following body >.... > >This ftp server was established for bitnet users, but I don't see why >other non-ftp users can't use it. I tried it and you don't have to be >on BITNET to use it. > BITNET has a very strict charter concerning what you can and cannot do. Before anyone starts getting large files over the BITNET-INTERNET bridge, they should get permission of the people at Princeton (PUCC). While there is no techincal reason that prevents using it, you may find there is a political one. My personal experience is that minor infractions of the BITNET rules will be overlooked, but major ones are not. Have any of you noticed that there is no BITNET connection to the commerical information services? This is because the BITNET board of directors (unlike the INTERNET "net.gods" that no one has ever seen, the board is real people.) refused to allow them access. Commerical networks are not for the likes of BITNET. You can get mail to/from compuserve via the INTERNET, but that is overlooked as long as the volume stays small. If the BITNET users of bitftp were to start complaining about turnaround time, there might be trouble. As part of a project for a client I was required to read all the documentation and contracts BITNET provided. These people take their network seriously. They use it to perform their daily work. They will not take kindly to someone tying up their INTERNET mail bridge to sneak ftp access. For example, people at commerical installations (sort of second class citizens) are allowed unlimited mail to/from noncomercial ones, but the only allowable mail between commerical installations is that which "relates to the operation of the network". Disclaimer: I don't work for BITNET, I have nothing to do with BITNET. BITNET has nothing to do with me. (I do use the INTERNET-BITNET mail bridge and would like see it stay around). ------ Geoffrey S. Mendelson
hans@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Hans van Oostrom) (04/23/91)
In article <15889112@mailgsm.mendelson.com>, root@mailgsm.mendelson.com (Superuser) writes... >BITNET has a very strict charter concerning what you can and cannot do. Before >anyone starts getting large files over the BITNET-INTERNET bridge, they should >get permission of the people at Princeton (PUCC). > You can avoid using BITNET by using the bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu address. The question now is: is the bitftp only for people on BITNET? If that were the case they (PUCC) should prevent sending files to non-BITNET addresses. About your concern about too much use of a bitnet to internet gateway, there are many in the world, and usually you use the nearest gateway. Here on the Universtity of Florida there are at least two machines that are on bitnet and internet, and can be used as a gateway. I don't see why I should get PUCC's permission if I use another (you can't always tell which one you use). There might be too much use of the bitftp service, but when I retrieved their help file it did not tell me anything about 'for BITNET users only'. By the way, there are other ftp servers, but I could not find their addresses. Hans van Oostrom PO Box J-254, JHMHC hans@ufpine (BITNET) Gainesville, FL 32601, USA hans@pine.circa.ufl.edu (INTERNET) >>> Hoe ver je ook gaat, overal zie je landgenoten <<<
root@mailgsm.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) (04/25/91)
Since this posting did not go out to ALL sites, and articles suggesting you use bitftp keep poping up, I thought it would be a good idea to repost it. After the original posting, I talked to the news administrator at my client. While he cannot speak for Princeton, he thought they would frown upon non-bitnet users of bitftp. Therefore, I reiterate my suggestion that you get their permission before using bitftp (on their system) from a non bitnet site. I speak for myself and not Princeton (pucc) nor BITNET. I am not telling you what to do or not to do. I am advising you of things that you may need to know. ---------------------- Original article -------------------------- hans@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Hans van Oostrom) writes: > >For all you unlucky people without ftp access, there is a way to get >files from piggy (or any machine) send to you via uuencoded mail. > >Do the following: >send a mail message to bitftp@pucc.bitnet with the following body >.... > >This ftp server was established for bitnet users, but I don't see why >other non-ftp users can't use it. I tried it and you don't have to be >on BITNET to use it. > BITNET has a very strict charter concerning what you can and cannot do. Before anyone starts getting large files over the BITNET-INTERNET bridge, they should get permission of the people at Princeton (PUCC). While there is no techincal reason that prevents using it, you may find there is a political one. My personal experience is that minor infractions of the BITNET rules will be overlooked, but major ones are not. Have any of you noticed that there is no BITNET connection to the commerical information services? This is because the BITNET board of directors (unlike the INTERNET "net.gods" that no one has ever seen, the board is real people.) refused to allow them access. Commerical networks are not for the likes of BITNET. You can get mail to/from compuserve via the INTERNET, but that is overlooked as long as the volume stays small. If the BITNET users of bitftp were to start complaining about turnaround time, there might be trouble. As part of a project for a client I was required to read all the documentation and contracts BITNET provided. These people take their network seriously. They use it to perform their daily work. They will not take kindly to someone tying up their INTERNET mail bridge to sneak ftp access. For example, people at commerical installations (sort of second class citizens) are allowed unlimited mail to/from noncomercial ones, but the only allowable mail between commerical installations is that which "relates to the operation of the network". Disclaimer: I don't work for BITNET, I have nothing to do with BITNET. BITNET has nothing to do with me. (I do use the INTERNET-BITNET mail bridge and would like see it stay around). ------ Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffrey@mendelson.com (215) 242-8712
rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) (04/25/91)
In article <15889112@mailgsm.mendelson.com> root@mailgsm.mendelson.com (Superuser) writes: >hans@pine.circa.ufl.edu (Hans van Oostrom) writes: >> [ ftp by mail from BITNET deleted ] >> >BITNET has a very strict charter concerning what you can and cannot do. Before >anyone starts getting large files over the BITNET-INTERNET bridge, they should >get permission of the people at Princeton (PUCC). > >While there is no techincal reason that prevents using it, you may find there >is a political one. My personal experience is that minor infractions of the >BITNET rules will be overlooked, but major ones are not. > >Have any of you noticed that there is no BITNET connection to the commerical >information services? > >This is because the BITNET board of directors (unlike the INTERNET "net.gods" >that no one has ever seen, the board is real people.) refused to allow them >access. Commerical networks are not for the likes of BITNET. > >You can get mail to/from compuserve via the INTERNET, but that is overlooked >as long as the volume stays small. > >If the BITNET users of bitftp were to start complaining about turnaround time, >there might be trouble. > >As part of a project for a client I was required to read all the documentation >and contracts BITNET provided. These people take their network seriously. They >use it to perform their daily work. They will not take kindly to someone >tying up their INTERNET mail bridge to sneak ftp access. > >For example, people at commerical installations (sort of second class citizens) >are allowed unlimited mail to/from noncomercial ones, but the only allowable >mail between commerical installations is that which "relates to the operation of >the network". This seems logical to me. We have comp.os.coherent, let's use it for sources for now. If it gets swamped, then we will open a discussion for a new group. If everyone who uses Coherent starts using BITNET for ftp by mail, BITNET will be extremely pissed. Rick Kelly rmk@rmkhome.UUCP frog!rmkhome!rmk rmk@frog.UUCP
marcelo@deadzone.uucp (Marcelo Gallardo) (04/29/91)
In article <5279113@mailgsm.mendelson.com> root@mailgsm.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes: >Since this posting did not go out to ALL sites, and articles suggesting >you use bitftp keep poping up, I thought it would be a good idea to repost it. >After the original posting, I talked to the news administrator at my client. >While he cannot speak for Princeton, he thought they would frown upon >non-bitnet users of bitftp. > > >Therefore, I reiterate my suggestion that you get their permission before using >bitftp (on their system) from a non bitnet site. > >I speak for myself and not Princeton (pucc) nor BITNET. I am not >telling you what to do or not to do. I am advising you of things that you may >need to know. > > Well, I don't speak for Princeton or BITNET, but I can tell you that if Princeton feels that BITFTP is being abused, they will shut it down. The following was extracted from the BITFTP HELP file... BITFTP -- Princeton BITNET FTP Server BITFTP provides a mail interface to the FTP portion of the IBM TCP/IP product ("FAL") running on the Princeton VM system, to allow BITNET/NetNorth/EARN users to ftp files from sites on the Internet. Again, I don't speak for Princeton, but I would recomend sending mail to POSTMASTER@PUCC to see what they have to say. -- Marcelo Gallardo marcelo%deadzone@princeton.edu Test and Evaluation Specialist ...!princeton!deadzone!marcelo Princeton University marcelo@sparcwood.princeton.edu Advanced Technologies and Applications (609) 258-5661