laurao%sequent.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET (Laura McD. Owens) (03/14/91)
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cassman@athena.mit.edu (Baby Killer) (03/15/91)
From: cassman@athena.mit.edu (Baby Killer)
# From: "Laura McD. Owens" <laurao%sequent.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET>
# 304V8, power steering, cruise control, air conditioning,
This is an open letter that is intended to "get things straight"
before this news group gets out of line. I hope those who intend
to read this news group post their comments or write to the
moderator.
How did a car advertisement get posted? Are "Sporting equipment" adds
going to be next?
The moderator wrote that he almost didn't post something that talked
about the severe damage done to squirrels shot with a .357.
First, that post was clearly meant to be humorous (just like the one
>from the guy that said 255gr. bullets gave hunters a "warm-fuzzy" feeling).
Some people may not find these posts humorous, but I believe that they
are not nearly severe enough to be edited (they weren't...yet).
I personally see nothing wrong with destroying PESTS with firearms or any
other means (such as traps). In some areas, squirrels are indeed serious
pests that invade attics, etc.. I wonder how many readers out there believe
that there are such critters that can be killed (by whatever means- why not
make it a sport?) and NOT eaten afterward. I don't agree with the "If you
kill it, eat it" attitude.
I understand that some people won't agree. We can't go posting stuff like,
"the squirrel exploded into a million pieces and it was really cool"; yet,
I think that we don't want to be too restrictive about posting the effects
of powerful bullets on animals.
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------------------------------------------------------hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu (rec.hunting moderator) (03/15/91)
From: rec.hunting moderator <hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu> # From: "Laura McD. Owens" <laurao%sequent.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET> # 304V8, power steering, cruise control, air conditioning, This is an open letter that is intended to "get things straight" before this news group gets out of line. I hope those who intend to read this news group post their comments or write to the moderator. I definitely agree. I would like to hear people's comments on general posting guidelines and especially the "vaporizing squirrels" post. Any input that would help define the line between acceptable and unacceptable would certainly be appreciated. How did a car advertisement get posted? Are "Sporting equipment" adds going to be next? Sure. "Rifle for sale" and "looking to buy a good used bow" seem like valid topics to me. I doubt that such articles would be numerous enough to cause problems. If readers of the group disagree, let me know. If there sufficient objection, I will reject such posts. The moderator wrote that he almost didn't post something that talked about the severe damage done to squirrels shot with a .357. First, that post was clearly meant to be humorous (just like the one from the guy that said 255gr. bullets gave hunters a "warm-fuzzy" feeling). Some people may not find these posts humorous, but I believe that they are not nearly severe enough to be edited (they weren't...yet). I personally see nothing wrong with destroying PESTS with firearms or any other means (such as traps). In some areas, squirrels are indeed serious pests that invade attics, etc.. I wonder how many readers out there believe that there are such critters that can be killed (by whatever means- why not make it a sport?) and NOT eaten afterward. I don't agree with the "If you kill it, eat it" attitude. I understand that some people won't agree. We can't go posting stuff like, "the squirrel exploded into a million pieces and it was really cool"; yet, I think that we don't want to be too restrictive about posting the effects of powerful bullets on animals. In the original post, I mentioned that I had problems with the post. IMHO, it was on the border between "eliminating pests" and "vaporizing animals just for fun". Rather than reject the post, I posted it and noted my reservations. Again, I am asking for input. This is YOUR group! Just what do you want it to include? Tim Rigg (Moderator of rec.hunting)
crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) (03/16/91)
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) Tim, I guess that I lean in the same direction as your comments in the "vaporizing squirrels" post. That the poster, later, posted a clarification to the effect that it was a joke notwithstanding, I think that such posts to a *public forum* are ill advised. Even as we write and read here, anti-hunting groups are doing all that they can to eliminate sport hunting. I believe that we must make a choice: Do we want to make jokes that can be taken out of context by our enemies and used against us or do we want to continue being allowed to hunt? Am I overdramatizing the situation? Perhaps, but I doubt it. Every time an uncommitted voter hears or reads such "jokes" there is a good chance that he or she will join the camp of those who consider all hunters to be beer-swilling, trash-leaving, road-sign- shooting, butchers. There is a saying about the police, as I recall, to the effect that they must be better than ordinary citizens in order not to be though worse. I believe that hunters, indeed all those who use firearms, had damned well better adopt that same philosophy before it's too late. If that means reserving such jokes for *nonpublic* fora, then I say so be it. I don't want my sport taken away from me. > How did a car advertisement get posted? Are "Sporting equipment" adds > going to be next? > > Sure. "Rifle for sale" and "looking to buy a good used bow" seem like > valid topics to me. I doubt that such articles would be numerous > enough to cause problems. If readers of the group disagree, let me > know. If there sufficient objection, I will reject such posts. I agree about *occasional* advertisments of this type as long as they don't drown out everything else. As to the car ad, was distribution of that one geographically restricted on the USENET group? I think in that case, it probably should have been. In the case of smaller things that can be shipped, I don't think that is necessary although that may suggest another thing that should be posted in a periodic faq post: For those just entering our sport who don't already know: Interstate shipment of firearms can only be between federally licensed dealers and, in any case, *all* such transfers must be in accordance of the laws of the state or states involved. > In the original post, I mentioned that I had problems with the post. > IMHO, it was on the border between "eliminating pests" and "vaporizing > animals just for fun". Rather than reject the post, I posted it and > noted my reservations. See above. Best, Charlie Sorsby "I'm the NRA!" crs@lanl.gov
jsd@owlnet.rice.edu (Shawn Joel Dube) (03/16/91)
From: Shawn Joel Dube <jsd@owlnet.rice.edu> In article <362@erb1.engr.wisc.edu> you write: |> |> Sure. "Rifle for sale" and "looking to buy a good used bow" seem like |> valid topics to me. I doubt that such articles would be numerous |> enough to cause problems. If readers of the group disagree, let me |> know. If there sufficient objection, I will reject such posts. |> I disagree. I think this group should be used for discussion and not as a market. If somebody wants to buy or sell, they should use misc.forsale. ________________________________________________________________ Shawn Joel Dube "Never before have so many people known jsd@owlnet.rice.edu so little about so much." -James Burke ________________________________________________________________
hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale) (03/19/91)
From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale) In article <375@erb1.engr.wisc.edu> jsd@owlnet.rice.edu (Shawn Joel Dube) writes: >I disagree. I think this group should be used for discussion and not >as a market. If somebody wants to buy or sell, they should use >misc.forsale. The group rec.guns occasionally carries for sale and wanted listings. You might find that the size of the audience is larger in that group. Bob Hale ...!ucsd!btree!hale 619-535-3234 ...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu