jholand%peruvian@hellgate.utah.edu (John Holand) (05/23/91)
Does any one have any experience with using "laser sights" on a 9mm pistol. I have a friend interesting in using one to mount on a psitol that he has primarily for home defense. The reason being that he wears glasses and does not know if he could use his pistol accurately if he could not get his glasses on. I am concerned about the laser sights that projects a red dot that you place on the target not the type with a scope were you super-impose a red dot on the target. I have seen an used these for rifles but they all looked to big for a pistol. Any help is appreciated John R. Holand alias>skiBum
HUDSON%EIVAX%UALR.BitNet@vms3.macc.wisc.edu (05/28/91)
A recent submission asked about laser sights, or more specifically, laser aim devices, for use on a 9mm pistol. The smallest and probably best for that application is the Laser Aim from Emerging Technologies here in Little Rock, AR. You will have to find a dealer to order you one since they don't make direct sales (I don't think they do). I have two of the lasers here in my laboratory, which we use for optical alignment of instrumentation. I need a small unit that can fit in close spaces, and these do the job. They are about 3 in long and a little less than an inch in diameter. They project about a half inch dot at distances up to about one hundred yards. They are advertised to work to 300-500 yards. Check one out and see what you think. Keith Hudson hudson%eivax@ualr.bitnet
tmx@occrsh.att.com (05/30/91)
John writes a friend of his is interested in Laser Sights for his
9mm pistol, that is used primarily for "home defense". It states that
the friend wears glasses and thinks the laser sight would help.
Everything taken into consideraration, he would be better off in my
opinion with a "Shotgun".
Number 1. A shotgun doesnt care if he wears glasses or not (Just point it)
Number 2. A shotgun doesnt have to be aimed (Just point it)
Number 3. A shotgun wont shoot through as many walls as a pistol,
except if your using BUCKSHOT. So the chance of shooting a
bystander is remote
Number 4. Hearing a shotgun being racked back, over a slide on an automatic
being released or a hammer being cocked; I can guarantee the shot-
gun noise would terrorize the S**T out of me "MORE" !!!!!!!!
This is just one of my many opinions on many topics. Take it for
what its worth, use it or put it in the round file.
tmx@occrsh.ATT.COM
alais Jim Bruner, the Red Neck Okie!andy@DEC-Lite.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) (05/31/91)
[Moderator's note - this thread has left the relm of rec.hunting. Please direct followups to rec.guns or talk.politics.guns. tjr] In article <1991May30.080544.14143@doug.cae.wisc.edu> tmx@occrsh.att.com writes: > John writes a friend of his is interested in Laser Sights for his >9mm pistol, that is used primarily for "home defense". It states that >the friend wears glasses and thinks the laser sight would help. >Everything taken into consideraration, he would be better off in my >opinion with a "Shotgun". > >Number 1. A shotgun doesnt care if he wears glasses or not (Just point it) > >Number 2. A shotgun doesnt have to be aimed (Just point it) If the poster is suggesting that this is something peculiar to shotguns, he's wrong. The pattern size at close range is fairly small, at least for legal barrel lengths. (I don't know about barrels shorter than 18.5".) So, if you can hit with a shotgun at close range without aiming, you can hit with anything else. I go shooting with a lot of novice women. They all consistently hit center of mass at 7-10 feet from the very first shot. (When they start worrying about their aim, it does get worse, but that's soon fixed.) People do instinctively point fairly accurately, and that's just as true with handguns as it is with shotguns. >Number 3. A shotgun wont shoot through as many walls as a pistol, > except if your using BUCKSHOT. So the chance of shooting a > bystander is remote. Note that this comparison is true only because poster assumes that a shotgun user will use appropriate ammo, but that the handgun user won't. If the handgun user is concerned about overpenetration, he can solve the problem as well as a shotgun user can. Long guns in general, and shotguns in particular, are two handed weapons and are less suitable for indoor use than handguns. They're easier to take away, they provide a nice lever for that, and few of us have the third arm necessary for dialing a phone, opening a door, and so on, while holding a long gun at maximum readyiness. Remember, you've often got to do something AFTER you've caught him and have him covered. >Number 4. Hearing a shotgun being racked back, over a slide on an automatic > being released or a hammer being cocked; I can guarantee the shot- > gun noise would terrorize the S**T out of me "MORE" !!!!!!!! How much experience dos the poster have as a burglar/in-home-attacker? None? He wouldn't think of breaking in to someone's house? Then what's the relevance of what scares him? Don't get me wrong; I like shotguns and they're wonderful for some situations, such as those with two people or some space. -andy -- UUCP: {arpa gateways, sun, decwrl, uunet, rutgers}!neon.stanford.edu!andy ARPA: andy@neon.stanford.edu BELLNET: (415) 723-3088
gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) (06/04/91)
Note: I've directed followups to rec.guns as this isn't really a hunting subject though the information presented is important to hunters. In article <1991May30.080544.14143@doug.cae.wisc.edu> tmx@occrsh.att.com writes: > > John writes a friend of his is interested in Laser Sights for his >9mm pistol, that is used primarily for "home defense". It states that >the friend wears glasses and thinks the laser sight would help. >Everything taken into consideraration, he would be better off in my >opinion with a "Shotgun". > >Number 1. A shotgun doesnt care if he wears glasses or not (Just point it) > >Number 2. A shotgun doesnt have to be aimed (Just point it) You should pattern your shotgun at <12 feet before making these statements. Typical shotgun patterns at 12 feet run about an inch and a half. This is hardly better than a .45 slug. You *do* need to aim a shotgun as carefully as a pistol to be effective at home defense ranges. Even at maximum hunting ranges of around 40 yards, the pattern only opens up to about 36-40 inches. This means that a two degree aiming error will totally miss the target. If you "just point it", you'll miss a lot. Gary