crassi@kodak.kodak.com (Charlie Crassi) (02/05/91)
In article 67 of comp.sys.3b1 jeffery templon replies to the DWB advertisement posted from cbnewsl.att.com. >>From: templon@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jeffrey templon) >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1 >>Subject: Re: Any interest in DWB for 3B1? >>Keywords: troff, tbl, eqn, postscript, pic, grap, laserjet >>References: <1991Feb1.221838.478@cbnewsl.att.com> >>can you let us know how much it will cost? as you might expect from a >>user community who has old, beat up, discontinued machines (great tho >>they may be!) this is gonna be a factor. >> >> jeff Jeff, I don't know about other machines but my 3b1 ureka has DWB installed on it and as far as I remember it works. I no longer have access to a laserjet :-( There is a dramatic shortage of documentation with DWB but it already exists since 1988 for the 3b1 as is evidenced by the following directory listing: [ureka charlie] %10 ls -ol /usr/lib/dwb total 1024 ---x--x--x 1 root 109152 Nov 8 1988 checkmm1* ---x--x--x 1 root root 25372 Nov 8 1988 deroff* -r--r--r-- 1 root root 706 Nov 8 1988 eign -r--r--r-- 1 root root 647 Nov 8 1988 grap.defines ---x--x--x 1 root root 49284 Nov 8 1988 ndexer* ---x--x--x 1 root root 14832 Nov 8 1988 ndxformat* -r--r--r-- 1 root root 791 Nov 8 1988 nls.map ---x--x--x 1 root root 23316 Nov 8 1988 pages* -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 3806 Nov 8 1988 parts* drwxrwxrwx 2 root users 208 Nov 8 1988 samples/ ---x--x--x 1 root root 62536 Nov 8 1988 sbj1* ---x--x--x 1 root root 22056 Nov 8 1988 sbj2* ---x--x--x 1 root root 19492 Nov 8 1988 sbj3* ---x--x--x 1 root root 15880 Nov 8 1988 sbjprep* ---x--x--x 1 root root 78920 Nov 8 1988 style1* ---x--x--x 1 root root 50544 Nov 8 1988 style2* ---x--x--x 1 root root 41064 Nov 8 1988 style3* ls -ol /usr/lib/dwb/samples total 31 rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 1054 Nov 8 1988 eqn.stats -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 2155 Nov 8 1988 mm.letter -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 819 Nov 8 1988 mm.report -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 470 Nov 8 1988 mm.sales -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 1167 Nov 8 1988 nroff.letter -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5699 Nov 8 1988 readme.t -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 368 Nov 8 1988 tbl.bridges -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 390 Nov 8 1988 tbl.language -rw-r--r-- 1 bin bin 465 Nov 8 1988 tbl.pres -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 188 Nov 8 1988 testlh.t -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 285 Nov 8 1988 testlhu.t
dklann@heurikon.heurikon.com (David Klann) (02/06/91)
In article <1991Feb4.172022.28688@kodak.kodak.com>, crassi@kodak.kodak.com (Charlie Crassi) writes: |> In article 67 of comp.sys.3b1 jeffery templon replies to the DWB advertisement |> posted from cbnewsl.att.com. |> |> >>can you let us know how much it will cost? as you might expect from a |> >>user community who has old, beat up, discontinued machines (great tho |> >>they may be!) this is gonna be a factor. |> >> |> >> jeff |> |> Jeff, |> |> I don't know about other machines but my 3b1 ureka has DWB installed on it |> and as far as I remember it works. I no longer have access to a laserjet :-( |> Yes, we do have DWB 2.0. For those who are familiar with nroff, this is the real thing. I have two complaints about the package: It is incomplete. Someone chose to leave out troff. It is distributed only with the Development Set. I, for one, would like the ability to generate PostScript from roff source on my UNIXpc at home. This proposal would give me the ability to do just that. I also agree with Jeffery - the price would have to be right. On the other hand... has anyone gotten FSF's groff ported yet? -- David Klann Heurikon Corporation 608 828 3444
afc@shibaya.lonestar.org (Augustine Cano) (02/08/91)
In article <1991Feb4.172022.28688@kodak.kodak.com> crassi@kodak.kodak.com (Charlie Crassi) writes: >In article 67 of comp.sys.3b1 jeffery templon replies to the DWB advertisement >posted from cbnewsl.att.com. >>>From: templon@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (jeffrey templon) >>>... > >Jeff, > >I don't know about other machines but my 3b1 ureka has DWB installed on it >and as far as I remember it works. I no longer have access to a laserjet :-( > >There is a dramatic shortage of documentation with DWB but it already exists >since 1988 for the 3b1 as is evidenced by the following directory listing: > >[ureka charlie] %10 Well, I must be missing something... or are some of these files non-standard? or do I have an older version? or do you have an older version? (I'm using the 3.51 dev set) My /usr/lib/dwb files are all a little smaller (except for "pages") and I'm missing these: >ls -ol /usr/lib/dwb > >total 1024 >---x--x--x 1 root 109152 Nov 8 1988 checkmm1* >-r--r--r-- 1 root root 706 Nov 8 1988 eign >-r--r--r-- 1 root root 647 Nov 8 1988 grap.defines >-r--r--r-- 1 root root 791 Nov 8 1988 nls.map In this directory, mm.letter is 3 times the size of the one I have. Everything else is the same, except what I don't have, which is the following. >ls -ol /usr/lib/dwb/samples > >total 31 >-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5699 Nov 8 1988 readme.t >-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 188 Nov 8 1988 testlh.t >-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 285 Nov 8 1988 testlhu.t So, what's the scoop on this? Are these files from some net package? (groff?) or are they from the troff-expanded dwb? -- Augustine Cano INTERNET: afc@shibaya.lonestar.org UUCP: ...!{ernest,egsner}!shibaya!afc
dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com (DoN Nichols) (02/14/91)
In article <59@heurikon.heurikon.com> dklann@heurikon.heurikon.com writes: >In article <1991Feb4.172022.28688@kodak.kodak.com>, crassi@kodak.kodak.com (Charlie Crassi) writes: [...] >Yes, we do have DWB 2.0. For those who are familiar with nroff, this is the real thing. > >I have two complaints about the package: > It is incomplete. Someone chose to leave out troff. > It is distributed only with the Development Set. > >I, for one, would like the ability to generate PostScript from roff source on my UNIXpc at home. This proposal would give me the ability to do just that. I also agree with Jeffery - the price would have to be right. > >On the other hand... has anyone gotten FSF's groff ported yet? I'm running version 0.5 now. I should try to get a later version. (Anyone know what version they're up to now?) About the only problem I remember bringing it up was that one of the source files was large and complex enough so that I had to turn off optimization for that file (special mods to the Makefile), and kill off ALL daemons. I was running out of paging space. (I have since re-configured the drives, dedicating much more swap space from the disk.) I guess that I could package up the binaries, and ship them off to osu-cis, but I really would like to have a later version. (Almost everything is perfect, but there is a minor glitch once in a while, when a line is printed using two Postscript lines. If the two lines result in a word being split between the lines, the resulting single output line will have a slight gap between letters. (I received e-mail suggesting that this is from missing ligature characters, which is a good guess, but not the case with the text I am seeing.) I suspect that there is a small size difference between the Times-Roman font implementation the font-tables are coded for, and the implementation in the PacificPage Postscript cartridge that I am using in my HPLJ-II. It is still VERY nice to have. I just wish that I had documentation for DITROFF, since the gnu docs (at least in 0.5) only document the additional features in their implementation, assuming that you have the standard ditroff and docs. Papers from others using it show that it works, but I don't know how to make it work. Happy Printing DoN. -- Donald Nichols (DoN.) | Voice (Days): (703) 664-1585 D&D Data | Voice (Eves): (703) 938-4564 Disclaimer: from here - None | Email: <dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com> --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---
jim@syteke.be (Jim Sanchez) (02/14/91)
I had the same problem a couple of years ago and bought a "software Bundle" from Discovery (formerly DDS) in Georgia. It had something called TT&C Wizard/PS which was troff (plus pic) and a postscript postprocessor. I use it every day and it works fine. The only problem will be finding someone who still has this stuff for sale. Cheers -- Jim Sanchez | jim@syteke.be (PREFERRED) Hughes LAN Systems | OR uunet!mcsun!ub4b!syteke!jim Brussels Belgium | OR jim@hls.com -- Jim Sanchez | jim@syteke.be (PREFERRED) Hughes LAN Systems | OR uunet!mcsun!ub4b!syteke!jim Brussels Belgium | OR jim@hls.com
afc@shibaya.lonestar.org (Augustine Cano) (02/14/91)
In article <59@heurikon.heurikon.com> dklann@heurikon.heurikon.com writes: >In article <1991Feb4.172022.28688@kodak.kodak.com>, crassi@kodak.kodak.com (Charlie Crassi) writes: >|> In article 67 of comp.sys.3b1 jeffery templon replies to the DWB advertisement >|> [some stuff about AT&T's DWB ] > >Yes, we do have DWB 2.0. For those who are familiar with nroff, this is the real thing. > >I have two complaints about the package: > It is incomplete. Someone chose to leave out troff. > It is distributed only with the Development Set. > >I, for one, would like the ability to generate PostScript from roff source on my UNIXpc at home. This proposal would give me the ability to do just that. I also agree with Jeffery - the price would have to be right. > >On the other hand... has anyone gotten FSF's groff ported yet? groff-bin.tar.Z at csvax.cs.caltech.edu contains the unix pc binaries, courtesy of Andy Fyfe. You can get them by FTP. I asked about drivers and printer support and this is what he said: # Me: #> I have an Epson MX-80 with the Graftrax proms and a Diablo 1650. #> Will groff work with any of those? Are there drivers for the Epson at #> least? The MX-80 is one of the very few fully supported printers by the #> unix pc software. I suppose those drivers are not included in the #> above file? # # Andy: # The tar file contains all the programs in the groff distribution. The # only drivers are for tty (ascii and ISO Latin1), postscript, and dvi. # If you have a dvi driver for your Epson you should be able to use that. # (troff does use a different set of typical magnifications than TeX though, # so fonts would probably have to be made. (troff uses even point sizes # (10, 12, 14) while tex uses magsteps (14.4 pt == magstep 2).)) Otherwise # the programs won't be of any use, unless there's a repository of ditroff # drivers out there somewhere. I'm not sure how useful the tty driver will # be, given that the 3b1 has nroff already. # # --andy Since you want to do postscript, it looks like you're all set. Now my question: Does anybody have a dvi driver for the MX-80 and the appropriate fonts at the correct magnifications? >-- >David Klann >Heurikon Corporation >608 828 3444 -- Augustine Cano INTERNET: afc@shibaya.lonestar.org UUCP: ...!{ernest,egsner}!shibaya!afc
clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) (02/16/91)
In article <59@heurikon.heurikon.com> dklann@heurikon.heurikon.com writes: >Yes, we do have DWB 2.0. For those who are familiar with nroff, this is the >real thing. No. It's just nroff. How something could be DWB 2.anything without troff is a little hard to comprehend. If only they had shipped the old CAT troff we'd have *something* that can be made to work. I know, how about asking for CAT troff binaries in the next FIX disk if there's ever one? > I, for one, would like the ability to generate PostScript from roff source on > my UNIXpc at home. This proposal would give me the ability to do just that. > I also agree with Jeffery - the price would have to be right. >On the other hand... has anyone gotten FSF's groff ported yet? I've got the sources for groff. But you need g++ first... Does anybody have g++ ported and binaries of it available for uucp? Nils-Peter rather blithly ruled out DWB 3.1 for 3b1's which is rather unfortunate (suggesting that it would cost 100's of dollars for a simple compile and a set of floppies. For some reason he thinks AT&T would have to market the durn thing.) -- Chris Lewis, Phone: (613) 832-0541, Internet: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca UUCP: uunet!mitel!cunews!latour!ecicrl!clewis; Ferret Mailing List: (ferret-request@eci386); Psroff (not Adobe Transcript) enquiries: psroff-request@eci386, current patchlevel is *7*.