kak@hico2.UUCP (Kris A. Kugel) (03/06/91)
In article <5237@umbc3.UMBC.EDU>, motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Howard E. Motteler) writes: > What I'd *really* like to be able to do is to mix > even some limited graphics (e.g., the "cheap draw" program's > output) with the tex output. . . . > Also, are are there any drawing tools available for MGR? > > Howard E. Motteler | Dept. of Computer Science > motteler@umbc3.umbc.edu | UMBC, Catonsville, MD 21228 What *I'd* like is the program that looks like "MacPaint" or Cheapdraw and outputs PIC language graphics so I can include them in my documents. I was hoping Hans Jespersen (was: hjespersen@lion.uwaterloo.ca) would port or post a version of this tool that runs on the blit terminals (and would therefore probably work with his bitblt package), but now I can't seem to reach him by email or otherwise. *sigh* Does anybody know what happened to Hans? Kris A. Kugel ( 908 ) 842-2707 uunet!tsdiag.ccur.com!hico2!kak {daver,ditka,zorch}!hico2!kak internet: kak@hico2.westmark.com
pusateri@duke.cs.duke.edu (Thomas J. Pusateri) (03/08/91)
In article <1181@hico2.UUCP> kak@hico2.UUCP (Kris A. Kugel) writes: >In article <5237@umbc3.UMBC.EDU>, motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Howard E. Motteler) writes: >> What I'd *really* like to be able to do is to mix >> even some limited graphics (e.g., the "cheap draw" program's >> output) with the tex output. >. . . >What *I'd* like is the program that looks like "MacPaint" or Cheapdraw >and outputs PIC language graphics so I can include them in my documents. If you're familiar with the fig and xfig drawing tools, then you know that there is a utility to convert fig to pic (f2p) and fig to tex or latex (transfig). The fig file format is ascii, straight forward, and well defined. All we need to do is modify the cheapdraw output file to conform to fig file format and we're in business. There are several different versions of fig files. 1.3, 1.4, and 1.4X come to mind. I won't have time to do this until after the semester, (some time in may), but if there are no takers, I'll give it a shot then. Tom Pusateri Duke University
woods@eci386.uucp (Greg A. Woods) (03/09/91)
[ Why or why are people still cross-posting comp.sys.3b1 and comp.sys.att? I've changed that to comp.text which is far more relevant, though comp.graphics may also be appropriate. ] In article <1181@hico2.UUCP> kak@hico2.UUCP (Kris A. Kugel) writes: > What *I'd* like is the program that looks like "MacPaint" or Cheapdraw > and outputs PIC language graphics so I can include them in my documents. > I was hoping Hans Jespersen (was: hjespersen@lion.uwaterloo.ca) would > port or post a version of this tool that runs on the blit terminals What you are talking about is cip (or the newer xcip), which is indeed a mouse-driven, menued, object oriented, graphics drawing package, which does indeed spit out PIC. I kind of doubt Hans can post a port of cip or xcip, since they are licensed AT&T software. However, anyone can buy them from the AT&T Toolchest for a very low price. They come in source form, and are part of the 630-pkg. There's also a new package for the X Window System (Open Look) called Picasso. I'm not sure how one would get this without also getting DWB-3.1. -- Greg A. Woods woods@{eci386,gate,robohack,ontmoh,tmsoft}.UUCP ECI and UniForum Canada +1-416-443-1734 [h] +1-416-595-5425 [w] VE3TCP Toronto, Ontario CANADA Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible-ORWELL
hartman@abacab.UUCP (Mark A. Hartman) (03/11/91)
In article <668377781@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> pusateri@duke.cs.duke.edu (Thomas J. Pusateri) writes: ->In article <1181@hico2.UUCP> kak@hico2.UUCP (Kris A. Kugel) writes: ->>In article <5237@umbc3.UMBC.EDU>, motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Howard E. Motteler) writes: ->>> What I'd *really* like to be able to do is to mix ->>> even some limited graphics (e.g., the "cheap draw" program's ->>> output) with the tex output. ->>. . . ->>What *I'd* like is the program that looks like "MacPaint" or Cheapdraw ->>and outputs PIC language graphics so I can include them in my documents. -> ->If you're familiar with the fig and xfig drawing tools, then you know that ->there is a utility to convert fig to pic (f2p) and fig to tex or latex ->(transfig). The fig file format is ascii, straight forward, and well defined. ->All we need to do is modify the cheapdraw output file to conform to fig file ->format and we're in business. There are several different versions of fig ->files. 1.3, 1.4, and 1.4X come to mind. I wrote something called cdraw2fig a while back that does precisely that. It is on its way to comp.sources.3b1 now. -- Mark Hartman hartman@abacab.chi.il.us Mark_A_Hartman@att.com
npn@cbnewsl.att.com (nils-peter.nelson) (03/12/91)
To confirm Greg Woods' conjecture:
Picasso is an X Window System (OPEN LOOK GUI) application
for creating pic files or PostScript. You use the mouse
to draw rectangles, circles, ellipses, text, etc.;
alternatively, (or alternately for that matter) you can
edit the ASCII file directly as you would with pic.
Picasso has enhanced basic pic considerably (color,
gray scale, rotation, object scaling, etc.) so it's not
always possible to stream Picasso files back through pic.
Picasso is sold as a source product by USL. Binary versions
are currently available only inside AT&T. It is a tribute to
the OPEN LOOK developers that Picasso has successfully been
installed with no extra effort on our part on the Sun 4,
AT&T 6386, AT&T 3B2, Pyramid/AT&T System 7000.
A batch ("box; arrow; circle") version of Picasso is included
with the DWB 3.1 release.
For those familiar with xcip and cip, think of Picasso as
cip with color and all the bugs fixed.
We'd be delighted to work with any VAR that wants to distribute
binary (hint, hint, hint, ...)rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Robert L. Haar CS50) (03/12/91)
In article <526@abacab.UUCP>, hartman@abacab.UUCP (Mark A. Hartman) writes: |> In article <668377781@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> pusateri@duke.cs.duke.edu (Thomas J. Pusateri) writes: |> ->In article <1181@hico2.UUCP> kak@hico2.UUCP (Kris A. Kugel) writes: |> ->>In article <5237@umbc3.UMBC.EDU>, motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Howard E. Motteler) writes: |> ->>> What I'd *really* like to be able to do is to mix |> ->>> even some limited graphics (e.g., the "cheap draw" program's |> ->>> output) with the tex output. |> ->>. . . |> ->>What *I'd* like is the program that looks like "MacPaint" or Cheapdraw |> ->>and outputs PIC language graphics so I can include them in my documents. |> -> |> ->If you're familiar with the fig and xfig drawing tools, then you know that |> ->there is a utility to convert fig to pic (f2p) and fig to tex or latex |> ->(transfig). The fig file format is ascii, straight forward, and well defined. |> ->All we need to do is modify the cheapdraw output file to conform to fig file |> ->format and we're in business. There are several different versions of fig |> ->files. 1.3, 1.4, and 1.4X come to mind. |> |> I wrote something called cdraw2fig a while back that does precisely that. |> It is on its way to comp.sources.3b1 now. |> Is there a version of fig that runs on the 3b1 ? I am using xfig v2.0 on Sun's at work. It would be nice to have compatible drawing programs both places. Also, we use f2ps to convert fig drawings to postscript - can then be printed on pulled into tex files. Bob Haar InterNet : rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com Computer Science Dept., G.M. Research Laboratories DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
wwm@wa8tzg.mi.org (Bill Meahan) (03/16/91)
In article <526@abacab.UUCP> hartman@abacab.UUCP (Mark A. Hartman) writes: >In article <668377781@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> pusateri@duke.cs.duke.edu (Thomas J. Pusateri) writes: >->In article <1181@hico2.UUCP> kak@hico2.UUCP (Kris A. Kugel) writes: >->>In article <5237@umbc3.UMBC.EDU>, motteler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Howard E. Motteler) writes: >->>> What I'd *really* like to be able to do is to mix >->>> even some limited graphics (e.g., the "cheap draw" program's >->>> output) with the tex output. >->>. . . >->>What *I'd* like is the program that looks like "MacPaint" or Cheapdraw >->>and outputs PIC language graphics so I can include them in my documents. >-> >->If you're familiar with the fig and xfig drawing tools, then you know that >->there is a utility to convert fig to pic (f2p) and fig to tex or latex >->(transfig). The fig file format is ascii, straight forward, and well defined. >->All we need to do is modify the cheapdraw output file to conform to fig file >->format and we're in business. There are several different versions of fig >->files. 1.3, 1.4, and 1.4X come to mind. > >I wrote something called cdraw2fig a while back that does precisely that. >It is on its way to comp.sources.3b1 now. > >-- >Mark Hartman hartman@abacab.chi.il.us > Mark_A_Hartman@att.com Now, how about a port of [x]fig to MGR?? THAT woulod be nifty neat-o and HIGHLY useful!! Could it be done? Why not? How about an equivalent?? [If I understood graphics, I might have a go, but I do much better at things like device drivers and communications.] -- Bill Meahan (WA8TZG) | Programming is simple: wwm@wa8tzg.mi.org OR | uunet!mailrus!sharkey!wa8tzg!wwm | All you have to do is put the right "Home for Cybernetic Orphans" | numbers in the right memory locations!