[rec.guns] PRODUCT WARNING!

bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz) (05/25/91)

Warning! - you could be had by Lyman:

I'm a bit angry with Lyman right now.  OK, I'm livid.  A 
few weeks ago I bought Lyman mold #401638 which casts a 
175 gn truncated cone for the 10 mm auto.  I also bought 
the correct (.401) Lyman sizing die for my Lyman 450 
sizer/lubricator.  I cast up a batch of bullets using 
Lyman #2 alloy which the Lyman book says is the alloy the 
molds are designed around.  The bullets cast out at .404.  

Using 50-50 alox/beeswax, I tried to size and lubricate 
the bullets.  I could barely move the operating handle; 
the press groaned and squawked.  The bullets came out .402 
diameter.  So I called up Lyman (1-800-22 LYMAN).  The 
nice man on the other end of the line said that you can't 
size a bullet of that diameter and alloy down more than 
.002 so I had to either go to a soft (1Sn/40Pb) alloy (In 
a 10 mm auto?  You gotta be nuts!) or get a mold that 
would cast .403 diameter.  He said that if I continued to 
size down those oversize bullets, I would permanently 
damage my Lyman sizer/lubricator.

Then he went on to say that .404 was within Lyman's 
tolerances for that mold!!!  But he added that if I sent 
the mold back to the factory with an explanation of the 
problem, the factory would send me a new mold.

So I did just that - wrote them a nice letter telling them 
that the mold cast .404 and about what the nice man on the 
phone had said.  I got my mold back last night; the only 
paperwork with it was a computer print out with one 
sentence on it:  

"IN SPEC WITH #2 ALLOY -- .404" RETURN AS IS".

I could tell by looking at the mold that they had actually 
taken the time to cast bullets in #2 alloy and measure 
them!  If they had that kind of money to waste, why not 
send me a mold of the correct diameter?  Because they 
don't make the mold in the correct diameter, that's why!  

It's a new mold design and the tooling hasn't worn in enough 
yet to make a correctly-sized mold and it won't for sometime 
to come.  Apparently Lyman makes their tooling extra-large 
so that it will last a long time.  Consequently, first 
they make a lot of molds that are much too large, then 
they regrind the tooling, make a lot of molds that are a 
little too big, then regrind again and make a lot of molds 
which are just right.  

So what's a mother to do?  I don't know; you tell me.
It seemed the least I could do was warn you guys to buy 
from a manufacturer other than Lyman.

    John Bercovitz      JHBercovitz@lbl.gov