rsl@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Stuart Levin) (05/27/91)
Anybody out there got any experience with ammo from PMC corp.? A friend gave me some rounds for self defense. They were marked PMC 44 S&W spl and they are VERY hollow points,I dont know if they're jacketed at all, their bullets are copper colored (they may indeed be copper for all I know or some copper colored alloy) and have no posts like a hydra shock. My friend swears they are hot stuff for a self defense round but I know nothing of PMC ammo and this style of bullet. Maybe they are fully jacketed hollow points with the jacketing having a copper color. Thanks for all postings here or reply rsl@well@uunet i.e. rsl on the well
charlesg@tybalt.caltech.edu (Charles Grosjean) (05/27/91)
decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!rsl@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Stuart Levin) writes:
#Anybody out there got any experience with ammo from PMC corp.? A friend
#gave me some rounds for self defense. They were marked
#PMC 44 S&W spl and they are VERY hollow points,I dont know if they're
#jacketed at all, their bullets are copper colored (they may indeed be
#copper for all I know or some copper colored alloy) and have no posts like
#a hydra shock. My friend swears they are hot stuff for a self defense
#round but I know nothing of PMC ammo and this style of bullet.
PMC markets one bullet called the Ultramag. It is available in .44 and .38
special. Basically, it is a tubular copper bullet that is driven at very
high velocities. It isn't really a hollowpoint, instead it's more like a
tube. Supposedly, it is similar to a bullet that was designed by Abe Flaytau
( the person who designed the Ring Airfoil Grenade) when the military was
considering switching to a new handgun/caliber. Supposedly it was shot at a
military kevlar helmet where it proceeded straight through both sides of the
helmet. PMC it seems appropriated the project and made the 38 and 44 special
versions. Sounds like a fun load to play with on water jugs etc., but its
performance for self defense has not been proven. Hope this helps. It's a
bullet that's usually covered in articles on exotic bullets.cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) (05/28/91)
As a previous respondent pointed out, these tubular bullets have not been
proven in combat. In addition, I have read that they have a tendency to
shoot very low.
As a general principle, I would not use any self-defense load that I had
not fired extensively in practice. I would also stick to "mainstream" loads
that have had extensive testing.
I would recommend two self defense loads for use in .44 Special and Magnum
revolvers: the Winchester Silvertip .44 Special, and the Federal
semi-wadcutter in the same chambering. The Federal is considerably "hotter"
than the Silvertip (it is, in fact, the hottest .44 Special I have ever
fired); in addition, its soft lead bullet causes considerable barrel
leading. The Silvertip is milder, and the silvertip bullet is more fragile;
thus, the Silvertip should be used if overpenetration is a concern.
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As quoted from <34915@mimsy.umd.edu> by decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!rsl@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Stuart Levin):
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# Anybody out there got any experience with ammo from PMC corp.? A friend
# gave me some rounds for self defense. They were marked
# PMC 44 S&W spl and they are VERY hollow points,I dont know if they're
# jacketed at all, their bullets are copper colored (they may indeed be
# copper for all I know or some copper colored alloy) and have no posts like
# a hydra shock. My friend swears they are hot stuff for a self defense
# round but I know nothing of PMC ammo and this style of bullet. Maybe they
# are fully jacketed hollow points with the jacketing having a copper color.
# Thanks for all postings here or reply rsl@well@uunet i.e. rsl on the well
I used to use a lot of PMC back in the early to mid '80s. I liked it and used
to use it to accumulate a stock of cases for reloading, since it was cheaper
than the domestic brands (it is or was Korean). I used mostly .45ACP and
.38Spec. If it hasn't changed appreciably since then, I wouldn't have any
qualms about using it. It DID seem to be a bit hotter than other ammo too.
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{uunet|backbone}!ncoast.org!cmort cmort@ncoast.orgpetert@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Toth) (05/28/91)
In article <34919@mimsy.umd.edu> charlesg@tybalt.caltech.edu (Charles Grosjean) writes: #decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!rsl@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Stuart Levin) writes: # # # ##Anybody out there got any experience with ammo from PMC corp.? A friend ##gave me some rounds for self defense. They were marked ##PMC 44 S&W spl and they are VERY hollow points,I dont know if they're ##jacketed at all, their bullets are copper colored (they may indeed be ##copper for all I know or some copper colored alloy) and have no posts like ##a hydra shock. My friend swears they are hot stuff for a self defense ##round but I know nothing of PMC ammo and this style of bullet. # #PMC markets one bullet called the Ultramag. It is available in .44 and .38 #special. Basically, it is a tubular copper bullet that is driven at very #high velocities. It isn't really a hollowpoint, instead it's more like a #tube. [...] Ahh, the flying cookie-cutter. #performance for self defense has not been proven. [...] True, but imagagine, if you are in a morbid mood, the result of a piece of flesh the size of a pencil being excised from a creature. Not pretty. The projectile stays true to course in gel, and so probably elsewhere as well. Peter Toth
n9020351@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu (James D. Del Vecchio) (05/28/91)
decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!rsl@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Stuart Levin) writes:
#Anybody out there got any experience with ammo from PMC corp.? A friend
#gave me some rounds for self defense. They were marked
#PMC 44 S&W spl and they are VERY hollow points,I dont know if they're
#jacketed at all, their bullets are copper colored (they may indeed be
#copper for all I know or some copper colored alloy) and have no posts like
#a hydra shock. My friend swears they are hot stuff for a self defense
#round but I know nothing of PMC ammo and this style of bullet. Maybe they
#are fully jacketed hollow points with the jacketing having a copper color.
#Thanks for all postings here or reply rsl@well@uunet i.e. rsl on the well
Called the "ultramag", aka THP: tubular hollow point. 38 or 44 spl
38 spl 66 gr 1542 fps 348 fpe 102 momentum
44 spl 110 gr 1200 fps 352 fpe 132 momentum
some standard stats for compairson:
38 spl 158 gr 755 fps 200 fpe 119 momentum
44 spl 240 gr 764 fps 311 fpe 183 momentum
The seem to be light, fast "tube" bullets with less recoil.
I've never bought any, but you can call 702-294-0024 to reach
Eldorado Cartridge Corp.
I've heard they zip through stuff w/o expanding. The one shooting I
read of was a one shot stop per Massad Ayoob. Zipped through the armed
perp's sholder flesh, causing him to fall and gout blood. The tube was
mush when it reached the wall behind him.
Jim Del Vecchio.