n9020351@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu (James D. Del Vecchio) (05/22/91)
Re: Concealed carry piece for scuba divers I've heard some guns advertized as "functioning reliably underwater", I think the Glock was one of these and also CZ 99 might have been one. Is this possible? What would happen if someone tried this? I would think that hollow points might expand as they travled the barrel. I saw a plug for the Jericho 941 where they had it in a mud puddle and it still worked. I would like a gun that is impervious to water, one where I could store it in the toilet tank if I wanted to, with no harm to the gun. I want something with no corrodible parts to worry about. What is better: stainless or chrome? I've seen 'stainless' silverware with corrosion on it before, but I'm not sure how strong chrome can be made. Are there any steel alloys with some chrome in them, or that can be made _totaly non corrodable_? A Glock in stainless would be nice (especialy one with a grip safety, rather than a trigger safety, can Glocks be modified?) Is there any gun that will satisfy these requirements?
Robert.Allen@Eng.Sun.COM (Email Mujahideen) (05/22/91)
In article <34737@mimsy.umd.edu> n9020351@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:
+
+ Re: Concealed carry piece for scuba divers
+
+ I've heard some guns advertized as "functioning reliably underwater",
+I think the Glock was one of these and also CZ 99 might have been one.
+Is this possible? What would happen if someone tried this? I would
+think that hollow points might expand as they travled the barrel.
+ I saw a plug for the Jericho 941 where they had it in a mud puddle and
+it still worked.
+
+ I would like a gun that is impervious to water, one where I could store it
+in the toilet tank if I wanted to, with no harm to the gun.
+I want something with no corrodible parts to worry about. What is better:
+stainless or chrome? I've seen 'stainless' silverware with corrosion on
+it before, but I'm not sure how strong chrome can be made. Are there any
+steel alloys with some chrome in them, or that can be made _totaly non
+corrodable_?
+
+ A Glock in stainless would be nice (especialy one with a grip safety,
+rather than a trigger safety, can Glocks be modified?)
I've "heard tell" that Glocks are HIGHLY rust-resistant due to the
coating on all the metal parts, but I don't think I'd trust to long
term underwater storage. Certainly I wouldn't trust ammo to such
storage.
Why not just put it in a zip-lock bag if you want to store it under
water?
--
Robert Allen, rja@sun.com DISCLAIMER: I disclaim everything.
"The intelligent man is one who has successfully fulfilled many
accomplishments, and is yet willing to learn more." - Ed Parkerfiddler@dobbs.Eng.Sun.COM (Steve Hix) (05/23/91)
In article <34737@mimsy.umd.edu> n9020351@unicorn.cc.wwu.edu (James D. Del Vecchio) writes:
+
+ Re: Concealed carry piece for scuba divers
+
+ I've heard some guns advertized as "functioning reliably underwater",
+I think the Glock was one of these and also CZ 99 might have been one.
Somewhere I have areview of the Glock 17 where the writer called Glock
on their claim that the 17 laughed off being submerged for long periods.
He put the gun in a large ziploc bag filled with sea water and left it
there for something longer than a week.
When done, he shook it out, stripped it down, rinsed it out, and ran a
patch through the bore. After assembly, the thing took up shooting just
like it had before. No trace of corrosion anywhere.
(Actually, I think a more severe test of corrosion resistance would have
been to dip it in salt water and then let it sit in air for a while. A
few cycles like this should be pretty effective.)
Not that I'd treat any equipment of *mine* like that...
seh
p.s. No, the magazine that ran the article was not SOF.tmi@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Kasler) (05/26/91)
Glocks do very well underwater so far as rusting, etc., is concerned. Obviously polymer parts are impervious, and most metal parts in Glocks are tenifer-coated. Those that aren't are parkerized or hard-chromed. Miami P.D. did their own salt water immersion tests during their evaluation of the Glock pistol and the only problem was some salt and other residue build-up internally. They locked back the slide, swished the pistol around in a bucket of kerosine, loaded it and it fired flawlessly. Model 18 Glocks are routinely cooled by unloading them, locking back the slide, and holding them under (preferrably running) water. Remove water from the bore and resume firing. Glock makes underwater spring cups especially for underwater firing, but they are available only to special military units, and even then a waiver must be signed concerning their use.
gordonh@milton.u.washington.edu (Gordon Hayes) (05/29/91)
decwrl!well.sf.ca.us!well!tmi@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Kasler) writes:
#Glock makes underwater spring cups especially for underwater firing, but
#they are available only to special military units, and even then a waiver
#must be signed concerning their use.
Am I understanding this correctly? You can fire a handgun underwater
and it will work? Is it effective to kill with in this situation,
or is this in reference to say a SEAL team leaving the water and
effectively firing it at attackers?petert@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Toth) (05/31/91)
In article <34990@mimsy.umd.edu> gordonh@milton.u.washington.edu (Gordon Hayes) writes:
#Am I understanding this correctly? You can fire a handgun underwater
#and it will work? Is it effective to kill with in this situation,
#or is this in reference to say a SEAL team leaving the water and
#effectively firing it at attackers?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes but the range is limited, no but of course that works too.
Peter Toth