miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) (05/27/91)
Hi again. I will be travelling to Florida in 2 weeks time and I would like to know if there is any problem in transporting the following firearms in my trunk through the states of Tennessee and Alabama. I'll be taking along: HK-91 .308 AK-47S 7.62x39 CAR-15 5.56 (.223) Steyr AUG 5.56 (.223) I will be using these weapons on vacation in Florida, (at the range of course), and just want to be sure that there are no 'all-encompassing' laws which I might break by taking these weapons with me. Thanks Steve
cramer@uunet.UU.NET (Clayton Cramer) (05/29/91)
In article <34920@mimsy.umd.edu>, miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
# Hi again. I will be travelling to Florida in 2 weeks time and I would
# like to know if there is any problem in transporting the following firearms
# in my trunk through the states of Tennessee and Alabama. I'll be taking along:
#
# HK-91 .308
# AK-47S 7.62x39
# CAR-15 5.56 (.223)
# Steyr AUG 5.56 (.223)
# Steve
So what do you take with you if you are expecting trouble?
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You must be kidding! No company would hold opinions like mine!
"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and
their own state or the United States..." -- PA request for Bill of Rights, 1787U16244%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (05/29/91)
In article <34987@mimsy.umd.edu>, optilink!cramer@uunet.UU.NET (Clayton Cramer) says: # #In article <34920@mimsy.umd.edu>, miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes: ## Hi again. I will be travelling to Florida in 2 weeks time and I would ## like to know if there is any problem in transporting the following firearms ## in my trunk through the states of Tennessee and Alabama. I'll be taking : #along ## ## HK-91 .308 ## AK-47S 7.62x39 ## CAR-15 5.56 (.223) ## Steyr AUG 5.56 (.223) # ## Steve # #So what do you take with you if you are expecting trouble? # # #-- #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid,pixar,tekbspa}!optilink!cramer #You must be kidding! No company would hold opinions like mine! #"That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and #their own state or the United States..." -- PA request for Bill of Rights, #1787 What would he take with him when he expects trouble? Why, he'd take the ultimate set of weaponry available to any human being. Forget firearms, forget even melee weapons. Nuclear weapons leak radiation. What you need is a real tool, one combined with a substance that will make it the most powerful object in your personal defense package, a package no one should leave home without. Of course, I am speaking of a Swiss Army Knife and Duct Tape. So far, no state has outlawed this combination to its citizenry. However, the awesome capacity of an intelligent mind, duct tape, and a Swiss Army Knife can produce some awesome effects. 1) The Duct Tape Net: Takes time to set up, and must be stored carefully, but with a meter by meter cross laced net, you can entangle anyone under 300 pounds. 2) The Flying Saw: A long strip of Duct Tape strapped around the center of the SAK, with its sharp toothed saw and large drop point blade locked in the open position. One swipe of that is guarunteed to yank tender meat along with it. 3) The One-Two Punch: Slap a five inch strip of Tape across your enemy's eyes, blinding him. As he reaches up to pull it away, give him a punch with the corkscrew attatchment of the SAK, preferably hitting him in the temple, killing him instantly. There are many more possible options for this awesome display of weaponry. However, after someone reads this, they'll probably go whining to the BATF or to HCI stating that the Swiss Army Knife is an assault weapon, and that duct tape has no sporting use. The above posting was presented as sarcasm and for the entertainment and humor appreciation of the rec.guns audience. The author does not suggest the use of any of these maneuvers as it will revoke the warranty on all SAK's, and hence, they will fall apart on you. Have a nice day. Dougster.
metzger@uunet.UU.NET (Perry E. Metzger) (05/31/91)
#In article <34920@mimsy.umd.edu>, miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
#Hi again. I will be travelling to Florida in 2 weeks time and I would
#like to know if there is any problem in transporting the following firearms
#in my trunk through the states of Tennessee and Alabama. I'll be taking along:
So far as I know, Federal law protects you provided that you may
legitimately possess the weapons both in the state you started from
and the state you are going to, even if the intermediate state forbids
possession of the weapons.
However, I'm not a lawyer, and people get into big trouble by asking
questions of the net that ten minutes with a good lawyer would clear
instantly. My advice: if you aren't sure about something, ask a lawyer
or don't do it.
Perry Metzger
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"Live Free or Die!"
For information on the Libertarian Party, call 1-800-682-1776jalden@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Joshua M. Alden) (06/01/91)
In <35081@mimsy.umd.edu> bywater!arnor!watson.ibm.com!metzger@uunet.UU.NET (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
#So far as I know, Federal law protects you provided that you may
#legitimately possess the weapons both in the state you started from
#and the state you are going to, even if the intermediate state forbids
#possession of the weapons.
Provided the firearm is unloaded and in a locked container. I think
ammunition has to be locked separately, but I wouldn't swear to it.
#However, I'm not a lawyer, and people get into big trouble by asking
#questions of the net that ten minutes with a good lawyer would clear
#instantly. My advice: if you aren't sure about something, ask a lawyer
#or don't do it.
What he said.
-Josh.
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Virus mail: Virus.Info@dartmouth.edu | (603) 643-2840miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) (06/01/91)
In article <35006@mimsy.umd.edu>, U16244%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes: # In article <34987@mimsy.umd.edu>, optilink!cramer@uunet.UU.NET (Clayton Cramer) # says: # # # #In article <34920@mimsy.umd.edu>, miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes: # ## Hi again. I will be travelling to Florida in 2 weeks time and I would # ## like to know if there is any problem in transporting the following firearms # ## in my trunk through the states of Tennessee and Alabama. I'll be taking : # #along # ## # ## HK-91 .308 # ## AK-47S 7.62x39 # ## CAR-15 5.56 (.223) # ## Steyr AUG 5.56 (.223) # # # ## Steve # # # #So what do you take with you if you are expecting trouble? # # # # # #-- # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid,pixar,tekbspa}!optilink!cramer Actually, I have found a big bag of dirty socks to be a great weapon of first choice. They worked like a charm on the customs guy at Cincinnati Airport when I came back from London. He wanted to search all my stuff (like I had a AUG in my suitcase!), so I presented the plastic bag with laundry in it. He looked and basically decided going through those damned socks wasn't worth the trouble. This scenario works well with non-violent opponents. As for when you run up against REAL trouble, run away! This or else tell them something to keep them busy while you choke them with your car radio antenna.. :-) Thanks to all who provided help and suggestions for the transport of my evil assault rifle collection. Steve
sbradley@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Staff- Steve _ Bradley) (06/02/91)
In article <35081@mimsy.umd.edu> bywater!arnor!watson.ibm.com!metzger@uunet.UU.NET (Perry E. Metzger) writes: ##In article <34920@mimsy.umd.edu>, miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes: ##Hi again. I will be travelling to Florida in 2 weeks time and I would ##like to know if there is any problem in transporting the following firearms ##in my trunk through the states of Tennessee and Alabama. I'll be taking along: # #So far as I know, Federal law protects you provided that you may #legitimately possess the weapons both in the state you started from #and the state you are going to, even if the intermediate state forbids Call your local BATF office and ask for the regulation(law) that you would need to quote and if you ask nice they may even send you a copy of it. I am a licensed dealer and I do have the regs with me and Federal law says that you can transport a firearm between two states (and through all of the 48 if you want to) if you are allowed to have it in the beginning state and the ending state. IT WILL NOT WORK FOR TRANSPORTING A FIREARM THROUGH A CITY THAT HAS OUTLAWED THAT FIREARM IF YOU STAY IN THE SAME STATE. THAT IS AN INTRASTATE MOVE AND NOT AN INTERSTATE MOVE. All of this is forgotten in New Jersey were ALL of your rights are suspended when you enter the state with a firearm. They seem to believe that they are a separate country and do not have to abide by the Constitution. :-( -- ====================================================================== Steve Bradley Customer Engineer/Harris 513-772-8282 sbradley@udecc.engr.udayton.edu 18 Walnut Street, Farmersville, Ohio 45325 OR
tarl@lectroid.sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter) (06/03/91)
Awright. Since there is a lot of doubt, allow me to quote the law verbatim.
#From page 11 of "Federal Firearms and Regulations 1988-1989", published by
the BATF for FFL holders. This is the notorious "red book".
Title 1 of The Gun Control Act of 1968
As ammended by Public Law 99-308, 100 stat. 449, approved May 19, 1986.
Public Law 99-308
An act to amend chapter 44 (relating to firearms) of title 18, U.S.C.
Chapter 44 - Firearms.
Section 926A. Interstate Transportation of firearms.
Notwhithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation
of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not
otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving
a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from
any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other
place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such
transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any
ammunition being transported is readily accessible from the passenger
compartment of such transporting vehicle.
PROVIDED, that in the case of a vehicle without a compartment seperate
from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained
in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
(added Pub.L 99-360, Sec 1(a) July 8, 1986, 100 Stat. 766.)
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Marlboro, Mass. Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.