[rec.guns] IPSC Minor versus Major

cfor@ciba-geigy.ch (Rainer Foeppl) (06/05/91)

There are discussions in progress about the major/minor system used by IPSC
competitions to score matches.

the current system has a lot of problems, e.g. a lot of shooters clearly exeed
the maximum pressure of their cartridges to get the major factor. on the other
side there is no way to measure the pressure used by the competitors load on
the spot to prove him his unsafe ammo.

regarding those facts, we think that it would be the best, just to define the
minimum facts, every shooter has to fulfill to take part of a competiton.

we think this should be a factor of 125 and a minimum diameter of .354

major is no more used, as todays guns with compensators do not have the 
same recoil as the old one factory models. if you think practically then
i have to tell you that if you should come into a situation to use your gun
you will also not be sored by minor/major....

I think in south africa at the individual world shoot will be the next
IPSC - meeting to discuss those things - but i would like to get some
ideas of other people, too.

regards
rainer.


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Rainer Foeppl
email: cfor@ciba-geigy.ch

berenson@cookie.enet.dec.com (Coffee: Nature's Productivity Tool 04-Jun-1991 1610) (06/05/91)

First, I disagree that the current system has a lot of problems.  There
are many people who believe that the problems have been invented.  In
particular, claims about truely unsafe loads in 9mm Major have been
invented by those with a large vested interest in the 1911 (and their
accessories) to keep high-capacity guns in the minor category.

The fundemental fact is:  as long as hand loads are allowed, dangerous
loads are possible.  Banning handloads is the only way to take ammunition
out of the safety equation, but doing so makes the sport totally
unaffordable.

Second, the minor/major distinction has *LOTS* of practical validity.
Every modern measure, from Marshall's and Ayoob's statistics on actual
shootings to the Jello Junkies Wound Ballistics criteria, support the notion
that Major Loads (.357 Magnum, 10mm, .40S&W, and of course .45 ACP) are
more effective than minor loads (.38 Special, 9mm).

Third, the real issue is one of "vested interest".  There are 10,000 IPSC
shooters in the U.S. alone and nearly every one of them has made a purchase
decision based on the existing rules.  Sorry, but you'll excuse me if I
don't want to throw away what is now thousands of dollars in firearms,
magazines, leather, reloading gear, brass, etc. because a rule change
says I should throw away my 1911 and move to a high-capacity 9mm to be
competitive.  The truth is that eliminating Major will lead to a new
equipment race that will drive shooters from the sport.  The currently
accepted solution, requiring .40 caliber or larger for Major starting in
1993, will have the same effect.  The sentiment in the U.S. largely seems
to be that the U.S. should drop out of IPSC if this rule holds, and I
believe the same general feeling will pervade USPSA's membership if Major
P.F. is eliminated altogether.

I do believe we are spending too much time on solving non-existant
problems, while real problems go relatively unaddressed.  The single
biggest improvement we could make in this sport is to formally create and
push a stock class separate and parallel to the current open class.
All the other proposed changes do far more harm then good.