brian%nosun.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET (Brian Vandewettering) (05/21/91)
I posted this about a week ago and it didn't get through for some reason...
Here goes again.
In article <34496@mimsy.umd.edu>, bbx!bbx.basis.com!russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) writes:
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# I know I can get a .357 lever action, but don't think it'll reach
# out with enough authority to punch down a ram at 200 yards.
It does have enough power but not enough trajectory. You are not
allowed sight changes in lever action silhouette competition.
# I know that the .30-06 would - but there's only one lever action '06
# that I'm aware of, and the price is pretty steep.
The 30-06 would be really hard on the targets especially the chickens
at 50 yards. You might use reduced loads but that's a hassle. If I
was running the match I don't think I'd let you use a 30-06.
# Other options exist, such as going to another pistol caliber such
# as .44 Mag - this would likely have the punch I need.
The .44 Mag has the same trajectory as the .357 Mag. You would be
much better off with a 30-30. The 30-30 should also be more accurate
as it is a bottle necked case verses a straight walled pistol
cartridge.
--
Brian Vandewettering - NRA, NRA-ILA, OSSA -- Opinions are MINE!!!
Motorola Inc., Computer Systems Division - Beaverton, Oregon
brian@pdx.csd.mot.com . . . tektronix!nosun!cvedc!mcspdx!brianspickett@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steve Pickett) (05/22/91)
In article <34629@mimsy.umd.edu> U16244%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU writes:
#Marlin does indeed produce a .45-70 lever action. It's the 1895SS,
#has a four shot tube mage, 22" barrel, and my catalogue says it goes for
#$453.95.
#
#Cadillac hunting anyone?
#
#Doug.
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Yeah!! Nuke those plates :-) Should make for some rather decisive hits!
Sorry guys, just couldn't resist this one:-)
A question for the group does come to mind at this point. Is there a silhouette match
for those individuals with a particular fondness for lots of womp and stomp on both ends
of the rifle?
--Steveruss@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) (05/22/91)
In article <34692@mimsy.umd.edu> cvedc!pdx.csd.mot.com!brian%nosun.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET (Brian Vandewettering) writes:
#The .44 Mag has the same trajectory as the .357 Mag. You would be
#much better off with a 30-30. The 30-30 should also be more accurate
#as it is a bottle necked case verses a straight walled pistol
#cartridge.
OK, OK - I get the idea. Thanks to everyone that responded to me on
my "quest for a lever action". The responses boil down to:
1. .30-30 from a *lot* of people,
2. .45-70 from a few people,
3. 44 Magnum or Special from a couple,
4. .32-20, 44-40, .308, .444 Marlin all came in once.
Most folks mentioned that a .30-06 would beat up the targets (but I
*like* .30-06) so it's out. .308 is similar to .30-06 and is also
out.
I guess I'll pick up a .30-30 at the next show (a couple of weeks).
As I mentioned in my last post, they are pretty much a standard tool
around here, and can be found in all grades and prices, generally
centering around $120 for a NRA good with a clean bore. I'll take
my cleaning kit and a good friend to the show and get something, but
it's kinda dangerous: going to a gun show with cash... luckily
tomorrow is my birthday, makes for a compound excuse.
--
Russ Kepler - Basis Int'l SNAIL: 5901 Jefferson NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109
UUCP: bbx.basis.com!russ PHONE: 505-345-5232roc@sequent.com (Ron Christian) (05/22/91)
In article <34692@mimsy.umd.edu> you write:
#The .44 Mag has the same trajectory as the .357 Mag. You would be
#much better off with a 30-30. The 30-30 should also be more accurate
#as it is a bottle necked case verses a straight walled pistol
#cartridge.
Interesting. How does a necked cartridge improve accuracy?
Ronbrian%nosun.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET (Brian Vandewettering) (05/23/91)
In article <34750@mimsy.umd.edu> roc@sequent.com (Ron Christian) writes:
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#Interesting. How does a necked cartridge improve accuracy?
I'm not an expert on internal ballistics. However, a bottlenecked
cartridge generally headspaces on the shoulder giving a better
alignment between the bore and projectile. The higher velocity
obtained by bottlenecked cartridges probably helps to better stabilize
the bullet in flight.
In reading accuracy tests of T/C Contenders fitted with both straight
wall and bottlenecked, the bottlenecked cartridge always won. My contender
in 7x30 Waters (Necked down 30/30) will group 1" all day long at 100
yards. I challenge you to find a .357 Mag Contender that will do that.
--
Brian Vandewettering - NRA, NRA-ILA, OSSA -- Opinions are MINE!!!
Motorola Inc., Computer Systems Division - Beaverton, Oregon
brian@pdx.csd.mot.com . . . tektronix!nosun!cvedc!mcspdx!brianpetert@uunet.UU.NET (Peter Toth) (05/23/91)
In article <34750@mimsy.umd.edu> roc@sequent.com (Ron Christian) writes:
#[...]
#Interesting. How does a necked cartridge improve accuracy?
#
A squarer combustion chamber provides more even ignition and flame propagation,
resulting in a more predictable pressure curve from cartridge to cartridge,
hence accuracy.
Peter Tothdrs@hpctdkg.HP.COM (Don Simmons) (06/05/91)
Watch the pistol calibers - a loca DOW officer told me a .357 loaded in a
"carbine" would not meet the local 1000ft.lbs.at100yds legal limitation for
deer/big game and YET in a pistol the .357 was a-ok to use. !???! :-)
donwmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin) (06/07/91)
#From: drs@hpctdkg.HP.COM (Don Simmons) # Watch the pistol calibers - a loca DOW officer told me a .357 loaded in a # "carbine" would not meet the local 1000ft.lbs.at100yds legal limitation for # deer/big game and YET in a pistol the .357 was a-ok to use. !???! :-) I think the rationale here is that the hunter using a rifle/carbine firing the pistol-caliber round will tend to treat it as being as capable as other rifles firing real rifle calibers; he'll take advantage of the longer sight radius or scope and attempt shots that a pistol-carrying hunter will not. The pistoleer will (or at least should) be more likely to stalk the game to a closer range, because he knows he's not using a rifle and that pistols are inherently less capable, and hopefully he won't attempt shots that are clearly beyond himself or his pistol. So the .357 in a carbine may result in more wounded-and-lost deer than the same caliber in a pistol, even though it might be counter-intuitive to think so. Then again, considering that these are government-established rulings, there may be NO particular reason for it... :-) Regards, Will