law@uunet.UU.NET ( 23318, LAW, ROBERT) (06/05/91)
I like the look and feel of the Beretta Model 92, but I wanna barf when I see the going price of this gem. I have heard that the Taurus 92 is an identical clone of the Beretta and just as well made. Could someone please respond back whether the Taurus 92 is as good as the Beretta?? Thanks, Bob Law NRA, NAPCA, OGCA and FFL
kozowski@ohsu.EDU (Eric Kozowski) (06/05/91)
In article <35226@mimsy.umd.edu> abvax!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com!law@uunet.UU.NET ( 23318, LAW, ROBERT) writes:
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#I like the look and feel of the Beretta Model 92, but I wanna barf when I see
#the going price of this gem. I have heard that the Taurus 92 is an identical
#clone of the Beretta and just as well made. Could someone please respond back
#whether the Taurus 92 is as good as the Beretta??
#
IHMO The Beretta is a piece of junk. After having put approximately 500
rounds through one and seeing many of the military reports and talking
to other armorers (I'm an armorer in the USMC reserve) I've come to the
conclusion that the Beretta 92 is a dog. I personally know of two guns
that the slide seperated from the frame (while it was being fired and in
a rearward direction) and have heard of three more. The two that I know
of the pistols had < 3000 rounds put through them.
Please hold your flames. This is my opinion and all statements above
are factual.
--
Eric Kozowski
kozowski@ohsu.edu
Networks & Computing Dept.
Oregon Health Sciences Universitycramer@uunet.UU.NET (Clayton Cramer) (06/06/91)
In article <35226@mimsy.umd.edu>, abvax!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com!law@uunet.UU.NET ( 23318, LAW, ROBERT) writes:
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# I like the look and feel of the Beretta Model 92, but I wanna barf when I see
# the going price of this gem. I have heard that the Taurus 92 is an identical
# clone of the Beretta and just as well made. Could someone please respond back
# whether the Taurus 92 is as good as the Beretta??
#
# Bob Law NRA, NAPCA, OGCA and FFL
The Taurus safety allows you to carry cocked and locked; the Beretta
has a hammer-dropping safety. I prefer cocked and locked. The
Taurus has smooth wood grips -- looks great, not quite as easy to
control as the Beretta's grips. I was otherwise unable to tell
the difference between them.
Buy the Taurus and some replacement grips.
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They can have my urine sample when they pry it from my dead, cold fingers.
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from James Madison's rough draft of the Second Amendment.boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) (06/06/91)
In article <35226@mimsy.umd.edu>, abvax!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com!law@uunet.UU.NET ( 23318, LAW, ROBERT) writes:
#
#I like the look and feel of the Beretta Model 92, but I wanna barf when I see
#the going price of this gem. I have heard that the Taurus 92 is an identical
#clone of the Beretta and just as well made. Could someone please respond back
#whether the Taurus 92 is as good as the Beretta??
#
Well, the Taurus 92 is almost identical in DESIGN to the Berreta 92F. The
difference is that the Taurus has a real safety, whereas the Berreta has a
hammer-dropping dongle (thus implying a double action first round). As for
fit and finish, the Berreta wins hands down.
--
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FSU Computer Science | audience too afraid to laugh."
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email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | - Voltaire U16244%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (06/07/91)
In article <35313@mimsy.umd.edu>, boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) says: # #In article <35226@mimsy.umd.edu>, abvax!iccgcc.decnet.ab.com!law@uunet.UU.NET #( #23318, LAW, ROBERT) writes: ## ##I like the look and feel of the Beretta Model 92, but I wanna barf when I see ##the going price of this gem. I have heard that the Taurus 92 is an identical ##clone of the Beretta and just as well made. Could someone please respond back ##whether the Taurus 92 is as good as the Beretta?? ## # #Well, the Taurus 92 is almost identical in DESIGN to the Berreta 92F. The #difference is that the Taurus has a real safety, whereas the Berreta has a #hammer-dropping dongle (thus implying a double action first round). As for #fit and finish, the Berreta wins hands down. # There's nothing wrong with a hammer-drop dongle. I have no trouble hitting the safety on my Beretta (although the southpaw safety is very small on my early model Beretta. However, when I shoot northpaw, the safety stays on until I open fire. As soon as I finish, my thumb smacks the safety back down. I've seen the safeties on the newer Berettas and the southpaw side is nice and big, so chances are I may trade my old faithful in for the new version. Having professionally recessed grips instead of my hand carved ones seems like a good option as well. (Besides, the Beretta I have doesn't have that nifty little dish in the front. Granted, the hook is useless, but it's low profile so it doesn't snag, and just looks real good. `Sides, the new Berettas feed better with different types of bullets. My old timer is hardball and Remington only. Dougster.
roc@sequent.com (06/08/91)
In article <35313@mimsy.umd.edu> boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes:
#Well, the Taurus 92 is almost identical in DESIGN to the Berreta 92F. The
#difference is that the Taurus has a real safety, whereas the Berreta has a
#hammer-dropping dongle (thus implying a double action first round). As for
#fit and finish, the Berreta wins hands down.
The "hammer drop dongle" in the 92F also renders it impossible for the hammer
to move the firing pin (by rotating the interconnecting post out of the way)
so it has to be called a safety. While it's on, you can't fire the gun.
Double action vs. cocked-and-locked is a religious issue. If you must have
cocked and locked, there's a well known procedure to convert the 92F to the
cocked and locked operating system, like earlier models. (Or buy the Taurus,
which is a copy of an earlier Beretta design.) If you must have double
action *and* a safety, the 92F works the way you need out of the box. If
you must have a hammer drop without a safety, get a 92G.
(The Beretta 92G is physically identical to the 92F, except the slide mounted
lever is a decocking lever *only*, and is spring loaded to return to the
"fire" position. Single action fans could consider it as carrying "stage
two", I guess.)
Then, you have the OS of the Berettta 84F, which has a "real" frame mounted
safety which also decocks to half cock, not hammer completely down. The
best or worst of all world, depending on how you look at it. But I digress...
Ronklm@uunet.UU.NET (Kevin L. McBride) (06/08/91)
In article <35274@mimsy.umd.edu> optilink!cramer@uunet.UU.NET (Clayton Cramer) writes:
#The Taurus safety allows you to carry cocked and locked; the Beretta
#has a hammer-dropping safety. I prefer cocked and locked. The
#Taurus has smooth wood grips -- looks great, not quite as easy to
#control as the Beretta's grips. I was otherwise unable to tell
#the difference between them.
#
#Buy the Taurus and some replacement grips.
Yah. I had a Taurus PT99. I took off the stock wooden grips and put
on a set of Pachmayrs. I liked the Taurus a lot. It was a damn nice
gun, I just couldn't shoot straight with it. My friends shot nice
tight groups with it, but I couldn't get it comfortable in my hands.
I didn't like the idea of having a gun that everyone but myself could
shoot, so I traded it.
Your mileage will vary.
#--
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#They can have my urine sample when they pry it from my dead, cold fingers.
#"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed;" --
#from James Madison's rough draft of the Second Amendment.
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uunet!wang!gozer!klm \X/ Vote Libertarian.boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) (06/11/91)
In article <35384@mimsy.umd.edu>, roc@sequent.com writes:
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#Double action vs. cocked-and-locked is a religious issue. If you must have
#cocked and locked, there's a well known procedure to convert the 92F to the
#cocked and locked operating system, like earlier models. (Or buy the Taurus,
#which is a copy of an earlier Beretta design.) If you must have double
#action *and* a safety, the 92F works the way you need out of the box. If
#you must have a hammer drop without a safety, get a 92G.
#
Hmmm, I have never heard of this mod. Could you perhaps post a short
description? By the way, I have no problem with a hammer dropping control,
I just don't want to have to use it for a safety :-). I wish they could
make a 1911A1 with a button somewhere (perhaps in front of the rear sight,
or maybe in front of the slide release) which safely drops the hammer. Now
THAT I would buy.
--
Mickey R. Boyd | "God is a comedian playing to an
FSU Computer Science | audience too afraid to laugh."
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email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | - Voltaire roc@sequent.com (06/11/91)
In article <35426@mimsy.umd.edu> boyd@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes: #In article <35384@mimsy.umd.edu>, roc@sequent.com writes: # If you must have ##cocked and locked, there's a well known procedure to convert the 92F to the ##cocked and locked operating system, like earlier models. # #Hmmm, I have never heard of this mod. Could you perhaps post a short #description? I can only describe it as a line item in a gunsmith catalog. I went through a "bingo card" period where I tried to get information on every mail order gunsmith, accessory vendor, and bizarre and wonderful shooting system I could find in magazines. A lot of the information is a couple years old, but I still have most of it in a box somewhere. There were a few gunsmiths that had a line item for "Single action conversion for Beretta 92F -- $$$$". My impression was that it was a fairly common conversion. Ron